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[Bananiot]

You have missed the point Nikitas. The war was brought about by people that talked the patriotic jargon, appealing to the heart of the masses and not to the brain. It was ill conceived and could only have one outcome. When peace was signed between the two sides Greece was forced to cede a small piece of Thessaly and to pay heavy reparations. In order to pay the Greek economy came under an international supervision. The defeat and the humiliation were brought about by loud mouth, so called patriots, who may sound (like Paphidis) to care about Greek interests but their actions prove, in practice, to be detrimental to these interests.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot, that was a good precis of the failure of 1897. And what of the successes of the Balkan Wars? The people who started those were not patriotic loud mouths?

[Piratis]

The patriots are always exactly the same kind of people. The same ones who made the revolution of 1821 and the Balkan wars that helped Greece liberate many territories. Those same people are the people who fought in Cyprus in 1955 against the British. The odds were against the Greeks in most of those cases.

Fighting for your rights against the odds doesn't make your struggle wrong. If we all had your defeatist mentality then there would be no Greece at all, and Greeks would have the fate of either the Kurds or the Armenians. (of course the "Bananiots" would just become Turks and problem solved for them - but I hope you can understand that most of us have some decency)

About the church I personally do not approve their involvement in the education or anywhere else beyond their religious duties. Unfortunately nobody has the balls to push the church out because they are all afraid of the political cost such move will have.

About the books, I think that we should always seek the truth and keep trying to present our history in the most objective way possible. Unfortunately though it seems that the motive behind the recent calls for changes in the books is not the truth, but rather the image of TCs. The aim of history books should always be the truth, not the artificial improvement of the image of some group, especially while we are still at war with them and our youth should be prepared and psychologically ready to fight for the liberation of our lands.

[halil]

''our youth should be prepared and psychologically ready to fight for the liberation of our lands. ''says Mr and he thinks other side sleeps !

Our kids should be prepared mentally to share this island (Cyprus) with politically equal statues and learn to respect each other .

there is no way !

[Piratis]

''our youth should be prepared and psychologically ready to fight for the liberation of our lands. ''says Mr and he thinks other side sleeps !

Our kids should be prepared mentally to share this island (Cyprus) with politically equal statues and learn to respect each other .

there is no way !

Halil, we have no problem to share this island as long as everybody gets his fair share. This means freedom to Cyprus from foreign rule, equality among all citizens with democracy and without racist discrimination, without human rights violations, without segregation and without apartheid.

You have invaded us and are using 40.000 Turkish troops in an effort to gain way way way more than your fair share on our loss. As long as you insist on such unfair gains don't hope that we will just capitulate and sign off our lands and rights to you.

If you feel comfortable using force to have unfair gains on our loss, then be sure we will feel fine as well to use force to take back what belongs to us.

So please stop the hypocrisy of pretending to be a pacifist, while at the same time you keep 100s of thousands of refugees out of their homes at gun point, and you are making every effort to Turkify our lands.

[Bananiot]

Very good Piratis, but your simple world has no place in the real world. The Bananiots of 1897 and 1919 were warning of the dangers but the great patriots were not listening at the time. The Bananiots were warning in 1963 but the great patriots were calling us defeatists. The great patriots were asking us to throw the Turks into the sea in 1974 but while the Bananiots were at the front, the great patriots were holidaying at Troodos, for they cannot stand the hot Cyprus summer. Michalis Papapetrou, the bash defeatist, has a great story to tell you, if you are interested Piratis.

Nikitas, I am sure you know that going to war is not a business for the emotionally ustable. The Greek army was well prepared for the Balkan wars and the timing was also perfect to attempt to liberate the northenr parts of Greece. The Greek navy achieved superiority over the Ottoman navy thanks to the British officers who undertook to educate and train their Greek counterparts. Of course nobody knows of this small detail because our school history books teach us that it as the Greek "leventia" that triumphed, fuelling the ignorance that spreads aboundant in our sleepy society.

[Paphitis]

Very good Piratis, but your simple world has no place in the real world. The Bananiots of 1897 and 1919 were warning of the dangers but the great patriots were not listening at the time. The Bananiots were warning in 1963 but the great patriots were calling us defeatists. The great patriots were asking us to throw the Turks into the sea in 1974 but while the Bananiots were at the front, the great patriots were holidaying at Troodos, for they cannot stand the hot Cyprus summer. Michalis Papapetrou, the bash defeatist, has a great story to tell you, if you are interested Piratis.

Nikitas, I am sure you know that going to war is not a business for the emotionally ustable. The Greek army was well prepared for the Balkan wars and the timing was also perfect to attempt to liberate the northenr parts of Greece. The Greek navy achieved superiority over the Ottoman navy thanks to the British officers who undertook to educate and train their Greek counterparts. Of course nobody knows of this small detail because our school history books teach us that it as the Greek "leventia" that triumphed, fuelling the ignorance that spreads aboundant in our sleepy society.

I hope that was not addressed to me either?

Just too easy to nullify your angle. Not challenging enough to offer any stimulation.

[denizaksulu]

Very good Piratis, but your simple world has no place in the real world. The Bananiots of 1897 and 1919 were warning of the dangers but the great patriots were not listening at the time. The Bananiots were warning in 1963 but the great patriots were calling us defeatists. The great patriots were asking us to throw the Turks into the sea in 1974 but while the Bananiots were at the front, the great patriots were holidaying at Troodos, for they cannot stand the hot Cyprus summer. Michalis Papapetrou, the bash defeatist, has a great story to tell you, if you are interested Piratis.

Nikitas, I am sure you know that going to war is not a business for the emotionally ustable. The Greek army was well prepared for the Balkan wars and the timing was also perfect to attempt to liberate the northenr parts of Greece. The Greek navy achieved superiority over the Ottoman navy thanks to the British officers who undertook to educate and train their Greek counterparts. Of course nobody knows of this small detail because our school history books teach us that it as the Greek "leventia" that triumphed, fuelling the ignorance that spreads aboundant in our sleepy society.

I hope that was not addressed to me either?

Just too easy to nullify your angle. Not challenging enough to offer any stimulation.

During Napoleons sojourn into the levant, there was also British Officers in the Ottoman navy.

[Piratis]

Bananiot, first of all stop confusing liberation struggles that had the popular support with things like coups which were exactly the opposite.

Yes, the patriots will always fight for freedom and for what is right for their nation, even when the odds are against them, while the Bananiots will never fight. Greeks might have lost some times, but won more times and this is what matters. If we were all defeatists like you we would have never even tried, and we would remain under the Turks like the Kurds are today (at best) or be eliminated like the Armenians.

Of course in a war between Greeks and Turks others will be involved and can push things in one direction or another, but nobody will help you if you are not willing to fight and help yourself first. There is no such thing as a guaranteed victory and the moral and the fighting spirit of the people is what can make the difference between winning or losing a war. The British officers who helped the Greek navy would mean nothing without the Greek will to fight for freedom. Don't forget that the British themselves were defeated by the Turks in Gallipoli.

I never argued that we should go to war now. What I say is that we should continue trying for a truly fair solution with political means, while at the same time maintaining our full rights over the whole island, making friends, and keeping the moral high as well as our desire for freedom, justice and return to our homeland.

If such a fair solution can not be found by political means we should not give up because history proves that out numbered Greeks can win against the Turks and liberate their lands because most of us are not defeatists Bananiots, and because under the right circumstances we can have powerful allies in our struggle against the Islamists who use force, violate international law and UN resolutions in their effort to expand their borders against Europe.

[Oracle]

For every Lord Byron there was an Earl of Elgin, as far as help to the Greeks by the Brits, was concerned!