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[Get Real!]

"dakkos" ????? please explain

hey I admire him for being a commo too. I love Marx and his manifesto

I thought you said homo there for a second... err, yeah Marx's manihesto is a heap of… one hell of a.... movement!

When you refer to Marx, you do mean Groucho don't you?

Aren't they the same person?

No silly! There's Chico and Harpo too!

If only people would stop changing aliases... whatever happened to Karl, Engel, and Groucho?

[Andros]

I have a lot of respect for President Christofias, but I believe that he must also have a lot of respect, equally, for us and our history. Clearly, and according to his recent public statements and verbal agreement of the basis of the talks, he does not!

I am, for the first time in history, worried that our interests will be shelved, a bogus plan will be produced only for it to be rejected and set the stage for the recognition of the so-called "TRNC" as it stands today.

[Bananiot]

Do not worry Andros. Papadopoulos and GR are on the look out.

[Andros]

Bananiot,

Thanks mate. I do agree with you on the "No" Recognition of the so-called "TRNC", but it is the Integration of the Northern Cypriot territory with Turkey that is the concerning element. That is something which is real and is happening. It's literally a never ending swing.

We try our utmost to prevent the TCs from gaining recognition as the TRNC.

They use that to cement their integration with Turkey.

We then Start UN talks to form a plan that will obviously fail again, like in 2004.

The Turkish Cypriots are once again smothered by Turkey in their disappointment, and then the world throws them another carrot; a few more international agreements and perhaps the start of Direct Flights for example.

Result
However, this time the carrot gets bigger and by the time we realise it, the Northern part of the island is completely annexed by Turkey and the Turks convince the Turkish Cypriots into agreeing to "Give Up" their non-recognised TRNC declaration (eliminating UN resolutions 541 and 540)and integrate with Turkey in their own referendum presented to the world one morning in 2009 purely based on the fact that the "Turkish Cypriots have once more been left out in the cold".

[humanist]

there will be no recognition of "trnc" the EU is not likely to let go of any part of its territory just yet

[Tony-4497]

the Northern part of the island is completely annexed by Turkey and the Turks convince the Turkish Cypriots into agreeing to "Give Up" their non-recognised TRNC declaration

How is this different to what we have today? Isn't Turkey fully
controlling "TRNC" hence there is de facto annexation anyway?

[Oracle]

All that seems to be happening is that the TCs are manoeuvring to acquire the north, but without any competing Turkish settlers to take their jobs or remind them of their murky ancestry, or the harsh Turkish Kemalist & Islamist laws to control them.

There's no talk of removing the Turks so that Cyprus can go back completely under the RoC banner.

So I still see the TCs as having stolen half our country .... but now they just want it for themselves, instead of what they have come to realise, sharing with Turkey

[BirKibrisli]

All that seems to be happening is that the TCs are manoeuvring to acquire the north, but without any competing Turkish settlers to take their jobs or remind them of their murky ancestry, or the harsh Turkish Kemalist & Islamist laws to control them.

There's no talk of removing the Turks so that Cyprus can go back completely under the RoC banner.

So I still see the TCs as having stolen half our country .... but now they just want it for themselves, instead of what they have come to realise, sharing with Turkey

Where does this blind hatred of the TCs come from ,Oracle...???
Do you really enjoy kicking people when they are down????
Thousands of TCs became refugees in 1963 and tens of thousands in 1974...Most of them had to leave their country in order to put food on the table...Where are their human rights??? Who stole their land???Who deprived them of their right to live peacefully on the land of their ancestors???? Let me remind you of two little words: Empathy and Compassion....If you do not show any you cannot expect any in return...There are another couple of words :Understanding and Respect...If you show none,you will get none...
That is how the world goes around...Crying foul with unjustified indignation will not change anything...It will only make reconciliation and peace so much harder to get to...Keep this up and you will not find one single TC who will want to know you,let alone live with you...Come to think of it,maybe that is the name of your game...I must say you are very good at it...

[Oracle]

All that seems to be happening is that the TCs are manoeuvring to acquire the north, but without any competing Turkish settlers to take their jobs or remind them of their murky ancestry, or the harsh Turkish Kemalist & Islamist laws to control them.

There's no talk of removing the Turks so that Cyprus can go back completely under the RoC banner.

So I still see the TCs as having stolen half our country .... but now they just want it for themselves, instead of what they have come to realise, sharing with Turkey

Where does this blind hatred of the TCs come from ,Oracle...???
Do you really enjoy kicking people when they are down????
Thousands of TCs became refugees in 1963 and tens of thousands in 1974...Most of them had to leave their country in order to put food on the table...Where are their human rights??? Who stole their land???Who deprived them of their right to live peacefully on the land of their ancestors???? Let me remind you of two little words: Empathy and Compassion....If you do not show any you cannot expect any in return...There are another couple of words :Understanding and Respect...If you show none,you will get none...
That is how the world goes around...Crying foul with unjustified indignation will not change anything...It will only make reconciliation and peace so much harder to get to...Keep this up and you will not find one single TC who will want to know you,let alone live with you...Come to think of it,maybe that is the name of your game...I must say you are very good at it...

Try a spoonful of your own "medicine" Bir .... like seeing things from the GC point of view. Oh but then you will expose your hypocrisy!

Your pathetic descriptions of TCs, as they happily comply with the enemy of Cyprus, which they welcomed, is stomach wrenching for its sheer audacity.

[repulsewarrior]

...my problem with the disscussion of "greeks" and "turks", is that i come from a "mixed" village where my next door neighbour (for the last 150 years) is turcophone.

beside the fanatics in our village, even with over thirty years of isolation from each other, we still keep in contact.

i am inclined to recommend to you OP that mr B. has a point, and that in essence there are more than two sides to this debate.