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[Piratis]

As simple as that Piratis. Two and two make four. Ashoile!

Unlike you Bananiot, I maintain my right to think rationally and make logical arguments. 2 + 2 is indeed 4. But if the Turks say is 6 you would gladly accept it just because Turks say so.

[denizaksulu]

As simple as that Piratis. Two and two make four. Ashoile!

Unlike you Bananiot, I maintain my right to think rationally and make logical arguments. 2 + 2 is indeed 4. But if the Turks say is 6 you would gladly accept it just because Turks say so.

And you call yourself logical with the above statement.


Bananiot, sometimes I dont know why you bother.

This place is full of comedians.

[Bananiot]

Well, Piratis (and many others I suppose) paints a simple picture of the world and seeks simple answers to serious and complicated problems. I think he is extremely childish but we have had leaders who behaved like this, so what could anyone expect?

The late Kyprianou (I have said this before but it is worth remembering) used to argue that the Cyprob in reality is a very simple issue. All it takes, he used to say, is for the occupying army to withdraw and for the refugees to return to their homes and the problem is solved. Some people could not believe their ears when they heard him but the Piratis's of the time were applauding their heads off.

[Paphitis]

As simple as that Piratis. Two and two make four. Ashoile!

You seem to want to over complicate matters, which will result in an unfair pseudo democracy even worse that the 1960 constitution.

This has the potential to cause major harm if the constitution is designed to favour a minority group over the majority. It will create tension and possible violence as was the case in the past. Have you not learnt from history?

[Bananiot]

History told me (and unlike you, I lived through the period you have referred to) that in 1960 we got a constitution which we deserved because of the wrong policies in 1955 and afterwards. I think they were very generous indeed even with the given constitution, because if we put our faith to it we could have made it work perfectly well and Cyprus today would have been a paradise. A model bicommunal country where Greeks and Turks would be working together in peace, harmony and friendship, achieving great things and becoming role models for their mother countries.

[denizaksulu]

Well, Piratis (and many others I suppose) paints a simple picture of the world and seeks simple answers to serious and complicated problems. I think he is extremely childish but we have had leaders who behaved like this, so what could anyone expect?

The late Kyprianou (I have said this before but it is worth remembering) used to argue that the Cyprob in reality is a very simple issue. All it takes, he used to say, is for the occupying army to withdraw and for the refugees to return to their homes and the problem is solved. Some people could not believe their ears when they heard him but the Piratis's of the time were applauding their heads off.

It was for that very reason I took GR to the place we met, to see what had happened to Kerinia. How could this resettlement of refugees be achieved. I do not recal his response if he ever made one. There are realities which need to be adressed seriously. Comedians should make way for serious discussion.

I believe that the refugee problem is the main issue. I cant believe that ALL can be resettled in their homes. To believe that this CAN happen is crazy.

[Oracle]

Who had the right to sit in judgement of us and give us what we "deserved" in our own country ?

And you accept such divine rights to rain down the punishments?

Bananiot this is the most disgusting thing I have heard anyone say!

[Paphitis]

History told me (and unlike you, I lived through the period you have referred to) that in 1960 we got a constitution which we deserved because of the wrong policies in 1955 and afterwards. I think they were very generous indeed even with the given constitution, because if we put our faith to it we could have made it work perfectly well and Cyprus today would have been a paradise. A model bicommunal country where Greeks and Turks would be working together in peace, harmony and friendship, achieving great things and becoming role models for their mother countries.

I don't appreciate the patronising comments. You do not need to be a dinosaur to be able to discuss politics, nor do you need to live through the period.

It was the events of 1955 which eventually led to our semi independence.

British proposals for limited self-rule were rejected in 1954.

Eden wanted to trick the GCs in accepting self-rule and promising negotiations for independence at a future date. He then intended on delaying these negotiations, indefinitely. There was no intention or desire to grant Cyprus self determination.

It was the British imposed Zurich Agreements that led to constitutional mayhem, forcing the Makarios Administration to introduce the 13 point plan to amend the constitution in order to make it more fair and democratic.

[Bananiot]

Paphitis, your serious lack of knowledge on the pre 1955 events and the efforts made to deal with the Cyprus issue renders you incabable to debate that historical era. However, I have the feeling that you will not let anything disturb your stereotype view of the world.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis, your serious lack of knowledge on the pre 1955 events and the efforts made to deal with the Cyprus issue renders you incabable to debate that historical era. However, I have the feeling that you will not let anything disturb your stereotype view of the world.

Why would I shy away from trying to teach an old dilapidated man a thing or two? You are causing great damage to my country and so it is my duty to try and show you the correct path.

Britain had switched its Middle East headquarters to Cyprus in 1954. The island was the new home of the M16 Regional HQ. The intelligence gathered in Cyprus was shared with the Americans under a secret pact called UKUSA pact. Australia, Canada and New Zealand were also parties to this pact and each country was allocated an area of responsibility, with the Middle East being in the Britain’s sphere of influence. By 1955, Cyprus had even greater strategic importance due to the Baghdad Pact. This pact committed Britain to the forward defence of the region, a defence where the Cyprus Air Bases played a crucial part against Soviet expansion.

These are the reasons why self determination was never to be offered to Cypriots.

It was Henry Hopkins, Churchill's Colonial Minister who made a public statement on 28 Jul 54:

..."some Commonwealth territories could NEVER expect to be fully independent, and that the question of the abrogation of British sovereignty CANNOT ARISE".

This blew the lid on any pretence that Britain would eventually move towards self determination. Britain viewed Cyprus as a British base, and democratic ideals were never going to be allowed to get in the way.

As such, the actions of EOKA in 1955 were justified. And it was this campaign that led to independence in 1960.

Please try to provide a counter argument. Can you do that Bananiot?