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[Get Real!]

Thank you copperline but The G.C's gained independency in 1960 so the other nationalities dnt mean Jack...

Apparently the Union Jack still means plenty of Jack-shit to you!

[Get Real!]

I sometimes wonder which is the greatest nuisance to Cyprus… the Ottoman remnants or the bastardized half-baked “Cypriots” of Turnpike Lane!

[Piratis]

Paphitis said

Some individuals however do undermine the Cypriot Strenght of character by adopting a defeatist ethos or from rejecting the islands Hellenism just to appease the Turks, or because they have some chip on their shoulder and blame Greece for our predicament.

This is so true, most Cypriots are smart enough to want to keep their Hellenic identity, this is who we are and we are proud to be Greeks. There are a few Cypriots however that do have this chip on their shoulder unfortunately...typically they have no idea about history..... We did want enosis with Greece but these days due to circumstances we have become content with Independence within the EU. The only chance for peace is for respect by both communities of the other's identity and not this stupid belief in a common Cypriot ethnicity...this is nonsense....One should respect differences..., this is the key...

The “Hellenic identity” bollocks is a very recent notion in the history of Cyprus, first officially adopted in 1922 when the “National Assembly” or “National Organization” was formed with its first by president being the Archbishop of Cyprus Kyrillos III (1916...1933).

The National Assembly called for union with Greece and disobedience towards the British out of sheer frustration from foreign occupations and their inability to counter them, but certainly not because of some “natural Hellenic drive”!

The people of Cyprus were desperate to associate themselves with someone “friendlier” in a desperate attempt to put an end to the British rule and deter any future attacks. Problem is, (and as it turned out disastrous) the country they chose to associate themselves with was in even more tatters and hardly someone to look up to and expect protection from, but such was the “wisdom” at the time!

GR, please stop talking crap. Earlier you told us that the Chirokitians are the decedents of the Phoenicians and now this!

You are confusing the Hellenic identity, which we have for 1000s of years as we have shown in this thread, with our desire to become part of the newly formed modern Greek Republic and liberate ourselves from foreign rulers.

The Greek Republic itself was only formed in 1821, and initially it was much smaller, and it grew as more greek territories where liberated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Greekhistory.GIF

The Greeks of Cyprus wanted to be part of this free Greek Republic along with the rest of Greeks right from the beginning:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

And in 1878 right from the beginning when the British took over:

Greek Cypriot nationalism made its presence known to the new rulers, when, in a welcoming speech at Larnaca for the first British high commissioner, the bishop of Kition expressed the hope that the British would expedite the unification of Cyprus and Greece as they had previously done with the Ionian Islands. Thus, the British were confronted at the very beginning of their administration with the reality that enosis was vital to many Greek Cypriots.

[Oracle]

What I would like to know is, what went wrong between this time ...

The Greeks of Cyprus wanted to be part of this free Greek Republic along with the rest of Greeks right from the beginning:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

... and this period in time ....

And in 1878 right from the beginning when the British took over:

How did mainland Greece attain Freedom from the Ottoman-Turks and eventually for most of the Islands, but Cyprus didn't?

Did the butchery of the priests by the Ottomans serve as such a strong warning against rebellion, that the Cypriots just gave up trying to gain their Freedom?

(Of course we had a later uprising thanks to EOKA, against the second invaders, but we have never managed to complete the job of gaining our complete freedom from the yoke of the Turks!)

[denizaksulu]

Yes I know....the truth hurts...

As a Turk, you would not know about "truth"; otherwise you would be in constant pain!

Clearly Cypriot was not enough for you, which is why you invited your bearers back!

As far as being Hellenic goes, we never stopped being Hellenic. We have always lived on a Hellenic island, be it under occupation or under rare times of freedom. You were the ones who left your "natural" homelands to invade others. So you are expert practitioners of the art of eroding the identities of those you parasitize!

In fact the only Freedom we ever enjoyed was when we had no reason to deny being Greek to please the Turks and later the Brits ... who at least accepted our common bonds enough that they tried to "bargain" us back to Greece.

Are you saying tat Cypriots imported a Hellenic culture as they had no culture of their own. Thats a new one Oracle. GR must be proud of you.

[denizaksulu]

There was a time when Cyprus was undeniably pure Greek!

Bollocks

Agreed. Whatever happened to our Khirochitians. They must have grunted rather than speak.

Oracle has no idea what a Cypriot is.

[Oracle]

Yes I know....the truth hurts...

As a Turk, you would not know about "truth"; otherwise you would be in constant pain!

Clearly Cypriot was not enough for you, which is why you invited your bearers back!

As far as being Hellenic goes, we never stopped being Hellenic. We have always lived on a Hellenic island, be it under occupation or under rare times of freedom. You were the ones who left your "natural" homelands to invade others. So you are expert practitioners of the art of eroding the identities of those you parasitize!

In fact the only Freedom we ever enjoyed was when we had no reason to deny being Greek to please the Turks and later the Brits ... who at least accepted our common bonds enough that they tried to "bargain" us back to Greece.

Are you saying tat Cypriots imported a Hellenic culture as they had no culture of their own. Thats a new one Oracle. GR must be proud of you.

No I am not saying anything of the kind. That is your cheap trick to stir up GR!

As far as I can conclude, Cyprus has always been a Greek (as in Mycenaean, Hellenic etc) Island for as long as Greece has been Greek (Hellenic etc).

The same earliest group of people colonised both mainland Greece as well as Cyprus (from prehistoric times) and the fluctuations from other groups, as sailors, merchants etc., which interacted with the, by then indigenous Hellenes, were purely visitors that had larger stocks of themselves on their own home turfs. This is unlike the Ottomans who were looking for expansion and lands to steal / colonise.

[T_C]

I really don't think they do Deniz. How can they? They're posessed! And vicious...

[Oracle]

There was a time when Cyprus was undeniably pure Greek!

Bollocks

Agreed. Whatever happened to our Khirochitians. They must have grunted rather than speak.

Oracle has no idea what a Cypriot is.

No .... only a Turk such as yourself does ... so go on, tell GR!

[Medman]

Blimey if you want to be Greek go and live in Greece. One minute your Cypriots than Greek Cypriots than Ottomans. There's been some serious inbreeding going on Cyprus for many a century. Apparently the original inhabitants of Lefkara were from the Crimea in the former USSR. There's plenty of people on here that are telling the Turkish Cypriots to go and live in Turkey yawnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you want to be Greek, just go! Cypriots are a lot more friendlier than their motherlands anyway. GC'S I have spoken to don't really want a lot to do with Ellas anyway, but maybe they're telling me what I want to here. Wasn't the Olympiakos Piraeus fans shouting out 'Ottomans!' at the Anorthosis fans a few months ago and the GC's get offended at this. It sounds like they really see you as their brethren doesn't it!