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[Oracle]

Since the time the Ottomans arrived on Cyprus they have destroyed and desecrated our Churches and cultural heritage; stolen our lands and savaged our people.

It is only natural for them to now pretend we carry out such acts on them. Isn't this how they always behave?

Are they not the ones who continually steal other peoples' lands?

Are they not the ones who continually kill civilians, old, young, sick; by the most barbaric methods written in history?

They are just trying to appeal to any fools who think so many acts of evil could not be carried out by just one Nation, the Turks. Sometimes the most unbelievable, unnatural acts are true, no matter how much the Turks deny them.

US Representative Geraldine Ferraro declared: "We've got to get those Turkeys out!'

[T_C]

Well now we're even.

[Piratis]

I am glad that you are putting same things what has been happened in Both sides . Things were not one sided

No mate. The same things have not been happening to both sides.

First of all you intentionally abandoned your monuments, properties etc, so you could steal twice as much from us in the occupied Cyprus. Partition and you living in the north by ethnically cleansing us has always been your dream. On the contrary, you forced us to abandon our properties at gun point so you could steal them from us.

Secondly, what happened to some of your monuments (and you still have to prove that every empty plot that you show is what you claim it is) was only the result of time since you abandoned them and claimed that your country is some "trnc" and that you have nothing to do with "south Cyprus". No intentional destruction was done against your monuments.

On the other hand you are intentionally destroying our heritage. Churches can not turn into mosques and Hotels by themselves. Valuable artifacts can not move out from our churches and appear all over the world by themselves. You have destroyed and looted our cultural heritage intentionally.

More info: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=20573

You bloody kicked the shit of us during 1963-1974 we fought for survival and the you expect us to stay put when we have the chance to escape your persecution and discrimination, then you knock down our homes putting forward feeble excuses claiming they were built of mud, then all the GC properties knocked down were also built of mud and the land used was out of necessity, the churches were run down and unused so just deteriorated, you reek of double standards, you hate it when its done you but excuse your own despicable actions, the above comments put you well in the class of "pis gara gavur" who should never be trusted.

You are such a lair! Both sides had casualties in the inter communal conflict which was started by you in 1958 and was over by 1968. Your aim for partition was from the 1950s from before any conflict started.

Yes, all mostly mud constructions would collapse after being abandoned for 3+ decades. The difference is that you wanted to abandon them so you could steal twice as much from us in the north and create some fake "Turkish State" on our land as it was your aim, while we did not want to abandon them, and we were forced to do so by you at gun point.

The churches and other monuments which you looted or converted into burns, hotels etc were not made from mud. They were strong constructions that have lasted for many centuries and which you intentionally destroyed, trying to erase the true history from the north part of Cyprus.

All your buildings were built of sub standard crap and we have had to spend millions to repair them so they stay up, yet you have done nothing to perserve ours, that says more about your feable excuse than anything else.

Yeah we were fighting back for survival against the agressive "majority" which out numbered us and stole the "RoC" isnt that allowed in your book? which claims that all our homes were built of mud and blew down in the wind and rain. Yes we ran away to safety from a revenge seeking GC "majority" which is what any normal person would do, if that was the case then why did you abandone your homes and not stay put? why did you bomb and kill the arriving Turkish soldiers and not hand out flowers and water thanking them for saving you?

VP, our churches and other monuments are very well constructed which is why they stand for centuries, and why you even converted some of them to Luxury Hotels and similar things.

"Fighting back" would mean that we attacked you firstand you "fought back". The truth is exactly the opposite. You are the ones who attacked us first in 1958, and we are the ones who fought back.

[Viewpoint]

I am glad that you are putting same things what has been happened in Both sides . Things were not one sided

No mate. The same things have not been happening to both sides.

First of all you intentionally abandoned your monuments, properties etc, so you could steal twice as much from us in the occupied Cyprus. Partition and you living in the north by ethnically cleansing us has always been your dream. On the contrary, you forced us to abandon our properties at gun point so you could steal them from us.

Secondly, what happened to some of your monuments (and you still have to prove that every empty plot that you show is what you claim it is) was only the result of time since you abandoned them and claimed that your country is some "trnc" and that you have nothing to do with "south Cyprus". No intentional destruction was done against your monuments.

On the other hand you are intentionally destroying our heritage. Churches can not turn into mosques and Hotels by themselves. Valuable artifacts can not move out from our churches and appear all over the world by themselves. You have destroyed and looted our cultural heritage intentionally.

More info: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=20573

You bloody kicked the shit of us during 1963-1974 we fought for survival and the you expect us to stay put when we have the chance to escape your persecution and discrimination, then you knock down our homes putting forward feeble excuses claiming they were built of mud, then all the GC properties knocked down were also built of mud and the land used was out of necessity, the churches were run down and unused so just deteriorated, you reek of double standards, you hate it when its done you but excuse your own despicable actions, the above comments put you well in the class of "pis gara gavur" who should never be trusted.

You are such a lair! Both sides had casualties in the inter communal conflict which was started by you in 1958 and was over by 1968. Your aim for partition was from the 1950s from before any conflict started.

Yes, all mostly mud constructions would collapse after being abandoned for 3+ decades. The difference is that you wanted to abandon them so you could steal twice as much from us in the north and create some fake "Turkish State" on our land as it was your aim, while we did not want to abandon them, and we were forced to do so by you at gun point.

The churches and other monuments which you looted or converted into burns, hotels etc were not made from mud. They were strong constructions that have lasted for many centuries and which you intentionally destroyed, trying to erase the true history from the north part of Cyprus.

All your buildings were built of sub standard crap and we have had to spend millions to repair them so they stay up, yet you have done nothing to perserve ours, that says more about your feable excuse than anything else.

Yeah we were fighting back for survival against the agressive "majority" which out numbered us and stole the "RoC" isnt that allowed in your book? which claims that all our homes were built of mud and blew down in the wind and rain. Yes we ran away to safety from a revenge seeking GC "majority" which is what any normal person would do, if that was the case then why did you abandone your homes and not stay put? why did you bomb and kill the arriving Turkish soldiers and not hand out flowers and water thanking them for saving you?

VP, our churches and other monuments are very well constructed which is why they stand for centuries, and why you even converted some of them to Luxury Hotels and similar things.

"Fighting back" would mean that we attacked you firstand you "fought back". The truth is exactly the opposite. You are the ones who attacked us first in 1958, and we are the ones who fought back.

You have picked a date out of thin air and are sticking to it as if its the gospel, do you know about the murders of TCs by GCs at the Boğaz in 1956?

We paid millions to have them brought upto standard as they were built of crap, thats the only reason they are still standing unlike ours which you have demolished so there is no trace of the crimes you have commited, you people are great at burying dead or alive babies, buildings and your head in the ground.

[Piratis]

Thin air? Here is a British made documentary about it:



That is when the intercommunal conflict started and by whom it was started.

Does this mean that it was the first time that Turks and Cypriots killed each other in Cyprus. No. Of course it happened before, but those where unrelated to the inter-communal conflict because the inter-communal conflict started in 1958 when you attacked us.

If you want to talk about murders and killing in general, and who did the very first of those, well my frined, it is again the Turks:

In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

So it is clear who was attacked and who had to fight back.

The Turks kept attacking Cypriots in order to impose their rule over us, oppress us, and deny to Cypriots their right to rule their own island. This is something you continue doing today by illegally occupying the north part of our country with 40.000 Turkish troops.

[Viewpoint]

Thin air? Here is a British made documentary about it:



That is when the intercommunal conflict started and by whom it was started.

Does this mean that it was the first time that Turks and Cypriots killed each other in Cyprus. No. Of course it happened before, but those where unrelated to the inter-communal conflict because the inter-communal conflict started in 1958 when you attacked us.

If you want to talk about murders and killing in general, and who did the very first of those, well my frined, it is again the Turks:

In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

So it is clear who was attacked and who had to fight back.

The Turks kept attacking Cypriots in order to impose their rule over us, oppress us, and deny to Cypriots their right to rule their own island. This is something you continue doing today by illegally occupying the north part of our country with 40.000 Turkish troops.

Total rubbish you have picked a moment in history and are trying to fool people into believing is was the out numbered TCs who started the intercommunal fights and wanted to gift Cyprus to Greece enosis was on the scene well before Taksim thats why we fought back but the first chance you had to wipe the slate clean and start again was 1960 but you choose to attack Dec 1963 the world knows about Kanlı Noel.......the rest are excuses, you ruined the only chance we had to build a united island and now you pay the price and will continue to do so unless you accept us as your equals in a BBF with political equality just as the UN and your leaders support.

[Medman]

Didn't Markarios say that it was the GC desire for ENOSIS that was the root of all these problems? I'd like to thank those GC's who stuck up for the TC's of Lefkara when they were forced out in 1964 because Mainland Greek solidiers turned up and were screaming for blood. Some of those GC were punished later and all under the guise of the UN. I am a Turkish Cypriot, not from Turkey, but some on this forum blame my own community for all the problems. Most people on this forum were not on Cyprus when the Shit was hitting the fan. They are relying on propaganda from books, films and other media. The Turkish Cypriots are going no where.

[halil]

what is left behind the 64 events in Cyprus can be seen in the village called Ayios Sozomenos . İt is called abonded village in Cyprus .Also other villages in the Paphos area . Like Istinjo and others .

picture of the Arpalık (Ayios Sozomenos ) what is left for living ?





even these villages pictures can be found in the adventature lover pictures .Most of them does not know ....why this villages abandoned ?

no one told them the truth !

[Piratis]

Thin air? Here is a British made documentary about it:



That is when the intercommunal conflict started and by whom it was started.

Does this mean that it was the first time that Turks and Cypriots killed each other in Cyprus. No. Of course it happened before, but those where unrelated to the inter-communal conflict because the inter-communal conflict started in 1958 when you attacked us.

If you want to talk about murders and killing in general, and who did the very first of those, well my frined, it is again the Turks:

In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

So it is clear who was attacked and who had to fight back.

The Turks kept attacking Cypriots in order to impose their rule over us, oppress us, and deny to Cypriots their right to rule their own island. This is something you continue doing today by illegally occupying the north part of our country with 40.000 Turkish troops.

Total rubbish you have picked a moment in history and are trying to fool people into believing is was the out numbered TCs who started the intercommunal fights and wanted to gift Cyprus to Greece enosis was on the scene well before Taksim thats why we fought back but the first chance you had to wipe the slate clean and start again was 1960 but you choose to attack Dec 1963 the world knows about Kanlı Noel.......the rest are excuses, you ruined the only chance we had to build a united island and now you pay the price and will continue to do so unless you accept us as your equals in a BBF with political equality just as the UN and your leaders support.

So our desire for freedom was your excuse to attack us in 1958?? Yes, we wanted to be free as other Greek island and territories and everybody else that was under Ottoman or British rule. What is wrong with this?

This is when we, along with the rest of Greeks, started to demand our freedom:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

According to VP the Turks were "fighting back" when they attacked us and started killing us in 1821 because we dared to ask for our freedom. And when in 1955 we fought against our new rulers the British (not the Turks. We didn't touch them) the Turks decided that our desire for freedom was a good excuse for them to attack us again, like they did in 1821, because we committed the "crime" of wanting our freedom from foreign rulers!!!

It is clear who attacked whom. The Turks attacked us, starting all conflicts in Cyprus, with the aim to deny to Cypriot people their freedom.

According to VP the Cypriot people did not have the right to take the decisions for the own island in a democratic way, but the Turks and the British foreign rulers had this right!!!!

[Piratis]

Didn't Markarios say that it was the GC desire for ENOSIS that was the root of all these problems? I'd like to thank those GC's who stuck up for the TC's of Lefkara when they were forced out in 1964 because Mainland Greek solidiers turned up and were screaming for blood. Some of those GC were punished later and all under the guise of the UN. I am a Turkish Cypriot, not from Turkey, but some on this forum blame my own community for all the problems. Most people on this forum were not on Cyprus when the Shit was hitting the fan. They are relying on propaganda from books, films and other media. The Turkish Cypriots are going no where.

Nobody asked from the Turkish minority to go anywhere. Turkish minorities that where created during the Ottoman rule exist in other countries as well, Greece and Bulgaria for example. (Just like whites exist in Africa or South America from when the Europeans ruled there). The Turkish minority can stay in Cyprus and enjoy their full human and minority rights like every other minority in Europe, which is way better than what the Greek minority gets in Turkey.

What the TC minority can not do is to steal our lands and impose their will undemocratically on Cyprus, or impose some kind of apartheid like the whites had imposed in south Africa. We are not living in the Ottoman era when they could forcefully do that and get away with it.

What we demand is nothing more than our rights: Freedom, human rights, democracy - one person one vote without racist discrimination that aim to serve the interests of a particular minority and a foreign country on the expense of the great majority of the Cypriot people.