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[Viewpoint]

TCs are 18% and therefore a minority. We are the 82% and therefore we will accept nothing less than our fair share of power and land, which is 82%.

What the world recognizes is that there is only one Cyprus state and only one Cyprus government and there is no kind of partnership with any Turks. If the Turks want to be partners in Cyprus then they should make the same with Turkey, making the Greek minority there their partners.

2 founding states north and south Piratis who has it wrong you or your leaders? What the world realizes is that there is a TC side whose opinion and decision is just as important as the GC side, does this not represent 50% Piratis? you need our YES to agree a solution and if there is no BBF with political equality then we will not use our 50% favorably.

[Viewpoint]

20% of that land is mine and only remaining 9% or less will be GC owned.

Also I am not sure about your maths here. 20% is yours and 9% is ours???? What are you talking about? So who owns the rest 71%? The Chinese?

In north Cyprus 82% is ours and 18% is yours. That is how it is.

The distribution will change to approx 29%north 71%south, because your leaders are negotiating a BBF right now and this was agreed as far back as 1977, please try to change it now Id love to see the reaction of the international community.

The % split is pretty much constant in all negotiations and those GCs like you who do not want to live in the north can sell up or keep their properties renting them out if they can be physically returned, the difference is made up of TCs who have built their lives on exchanged land and do not want to go south to reclaim land surrendered to the TRNC government, this is where the problem lies and will have to be solved imo opinion by financial compensation or exchange for TC land in the south this will take the total figure of TC land in the south to a minimum and the exchanged/compensated land to around 18% add to this the GC owned land, plus state land and you will arrive at a figure which has been on the table throughout previous negotiations 29%.

82% of north Cyprus belongs to us, and you are minority in that region of Cyprus like you are in every other. Your ethnic cleansing tactics will not work. You can't have a Turkish state on land that belongs by 82% to GCs and where GCs have a history 10 times longer than what you do.

If we were willing to make an exchange of land, that would mean a split of 82%-18%, not 29%-71%.

You are going to be a very disappointed man, what will you do when the details are let out about the %? will you vote no if the north state is between 25-29%???

You still need to grasp what a BBF entails, 2 founding states with political equality, what so wrong living under TC administration why is OK for me to be forced into a GC state and not the other way around at least my way people will have the choice to move and live where ever they wish unlike yours where you wish to place the whole island under GC control.

[Get Real!]

...why is OK for me to be forced into a GC state and not the other way around

Because you don't have the LAND or the MONEY for a "state". How can you be a “boss” when you haven’t got either? It’s embarrassing!

[Viewpoint]

...why is OK for me to be forced into a GC state and not the other way around

Because you don't have the LAND or the MONEY for a "state". How can you be a “boss” when you haven’t got either? It’s embarrassing!

That's where you are wrong I have land, lift the isolation and watch the money roll in. That's what frightens you the most and why you need to keep us financially hostage because with all your advantages TCs would have progressed even further.

[Get Real!]

...why is OK for me to be forced into a GC state and not the other way around

Because you don't have the LAND or the MONEY for a "state". How can you be a “boss” when you haven’t got either? It’s embarrassing!

That's where you are wrong I have land, lift the isolation and watch the money roll in. That's what frightens you the most and why you need to keep us financially hostage because with all your advantages TCs would have progressed even further.

Nobody will lift the “isolations” while you hang onto land that doesn’t belong to you. It’s a mutually exclusive catch-22 situation.

As for the TCs being able to catch up with, or even surpass GC business prowess…I can’t for the life of me figure out how but feel free to entertain me with your grand plan if you wish…

[Piratis]

20% of that land is mine and only remaining 9% or less will be GC owned.

Also I am not sure about your maths here. 20% is yours and 9% is ours???? What are you talking about? So who owns the rest 71%? The Chinese?

In north Cyprus 82% is ours and 18% is yours. That is how it is.

The distribution will change to approx 29%north 71%south, because your leaders are negotiating a BBF right now and this was agreed as far back as 1977, please try to change it now Id love to see the reaction of the international community.

The % split is pretty much constant in all negotiations and those GCs like you who do not want to live in the north can sell up or keep their properties renting them out if they can be physically returned, the difference is made up of TCs who have built their lives on exchanged land and do not want to go south to reclaim land surrendered to the TRNC government, this is where the problem lies and will have to be solved imo opinion by financial compensation or exchange for TC land in the south this will take the total figure of TC land in the south to a minimum and the exchanged/compensated land to around 18% add to this the GC owned land, plus state land and you will arrive at a figure which has been on the table throughout previous negotiations 29%.

82% of north Cyprus belongs to us, and you are minority in that region of Cyprus like you are in every other. Your ethnic cleansing tactics will not work. You can't have a Turkish state on land that belongs by 82% to GCs and where GCs have a history 10 times longer than what you do.

If we were willing to make an exchange of land, that would mean a split of 82%-18%, not 29%-71%.

You are going to be a very disappointed man, what will you do when the details are let out about the %? will you vote no if the north state is between 25-29%???

You still need to grasp what a BBF entails, 2 founding states with political equality, what so wrong living under TC administration why is OK for me to be forced into a GC state and not the other way around at least my way people will have the choice to move and live where ever they wish unlike yours where you wish to place the whole island under GC control.

There will never be a north state of 25%-29% simply because we will not agree for such thing and without our agreement your pseudo will remain pseudo, and the whole Cyprus will remain territory of Republic of Cyprus.

If you want to live in a Turkish state you are free to go to Turkey. Cyprus is a Cypriot state and will be ruled democratically, one man one vote, by Cypriots. If you don't like the fact that you are a minority in Cyprus blame it on yourselves. It is you who invaded our island in order to force your rule over us, and then transferred population here creating a minority. We never wanted to rule any Turks. Just to rule our own island in a democratic way.

[Piratis]

...why is OK for me to be forced into a GC state and not the other way around

Because you don't have the LAND or the MONEY for a "state". How can you be a “boss” when you haven’t got either? It’s embarrassing!

That's where you are wrong I have land, lift the isolation and watch the money roll in. That's what frightens you the most and why you need to keep us financially hostage because with all your advantages TCs would have progressed even further.

Nobody will lift the “isolations” while you hang onto land that doesn’t belong to you. It’s a mutually exclusive catch-22 situation.

As for the TCs being able to catch up with, or even surpass GC business prowess…I can’t for the life of me figure out how but feel free to entertain me with your grand plan if you wish…

Their grand plan is that they will profit from the land stolen from us. That is basically the only way the Turks "progress", by stealing what belongs to others.

[Tony-4497]

The distribution will change to approx 29%north 71%south, because your leaders are negotiating a BBF right now and this was agreed as far back as 1977,

Viewpoint

The 25-29% for TCs was discussed only in the context of a BBF of the nature that Makarios considered back in 1977, where the TC "area" would effectively be just a district or municipality (not a near-sovereign state as is discussed today) and where all GCs would return to their homes and be a majority even within the TC district (although not voting for the TC "local authorities" elections), with a GC president and TC vice-president.

If TCs want a greater degree of sovereignty then they will need to take a lower proportion of land. At the extreme of 2 equal, con-federal states (if GCs ever accepted this), the land ratio would of course need to be 82:18.

This a well-established and widely used concept in international politics called "land for sovereignty".

I agree with you that Christofias is currently discussing something that goes against the above. 30 years of GC leaders stupidly yielding more and more while Turks instead increasing their demands have resulted in discussions of effectively a confederation (per Annan) at the original land ratio.

What you need to realise however is that these incapable GC leaders have done all this behind the back of the GC people - throughout this time they have been promising that all refugees will go home and reclaim their properties, full human rights, 1 truly unified country etc.

As a referendum approval is needed, TCs will need to agree to either a true united federal country with full human rights, or if they insist on disguised, Annan-type partition, agree to a fair sharing of the land i.e. around 80:20 (which I believe is the only realistic way of getting both communities to say Yes at referendum).

It is in Turkish side's interest to realise the above as soon as possible. In the opposite case, GCs simply have no reason to agree to such a solution (as Page 1 of this thread shows clearly i.e. the benefits of the proposed change are all for the TCs). The status quo will continue until Turks realise this, with TCs remaining a pariah and Turkey firmly outside the EU.

[kurupetos]

A load of bollocks. The only realistic solution seems to be a just partition arrangement. I hope that we all realise it one day and work towards that direction.

[Tony-4497]

A load of bollocks. The only realistic solution seems to be a just partition arrangement. I hope that we all realise it one day and work towards that direction.

How do you define "a just partition arrangement"?