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[Bananiot]

What are you talking about DT? If a country is made up of 10 people then, yes, with 5 plus 1 votes you would become its President. If 150 000 are eligible to vote in the north, then 75 000 plus 1 vote would see you through. Do you think it is easier to achieve this when the total electorate is made up of a smallish number than of a few millions, let us say? If you do indeed think so, you have a serious problem. The probabilty of any candidate to get elected is absolutely the same!

On a serious note I think you haven't got the Kifeas bug? It can seriously harm your health. He is already on the side of Denktash calling for two states made up of two different people. Or is he? Perhaps he has now changed his mind again. It remains to be seen.

[DT.]

What are you talking about DT? If a country is made up of 10 people then, yes, with 5 plus 1 votes you would become its President. If 150 000 are eligible to vote in the north, then 75 000 plus 1 vote would see you through. Do you think it is easier to achieve this when the total electorate is made up of a smallish number than of a few millions, let us say? If you do indeed think so, you have a serious problem. The probabilty of any candidate to get elected is absolutely the same!

On a serious note I think you haven't got the Kifeas bug? It can seriously harm your health. He is already on the side of Denktash calling for two states made up of two different people. Or is he? Perhaps he has now changed his mind again. It remains to be seen.

bananiot the president will not just be ruling the north but the whole island. That means out of 650,000 elegible voters, 75,001 of the north state will be able to determine the president.

[Viewpoint]

VP is right to think that we would never vote for a racist TC like himself. But most GCs would not have a problem at all to vote for a TC with the mentality of Kikapu.

In fact I would personally not have a problem if there would be required that at least 1 every 5 presidents is a TC, as long as the president is always elected by the Cypriot people as a whole. It is unacceptable for a leader of a country to be elected by just the 9% of the votes.

Kikapu supports you views 100% thats why you would not have a problem with him, would you vote for Bananiot is the real question?

Exactly VP. I would vote for somebody who shares my views regardless of his language, religion or ethnic background, while I would not vote for somebody who shares my language, ethnic background and religion (me and Bananiot are both atheists) if we do not share the same views.

You are voting for someone who is anti TC, a convert and is more GC than you are, he does not voice anything the TC would support and therefore is not a candidate that you could label as a typical TC as he would be someone no TC would vote for as they would not want him to represent them just as any other GC as that would place us in avery risky situation.

Vp, you claimed that GCs are racists and that they would never vote for a TC. Now you admit that it is not a matter of race, it is a matter of views.

Now tell me why is Kikapu "anti TC"? Does he support human rights violations against TCs? Does he support that TC land should be stolen and given to GCs? What makes him "anti-TC"? Be specific.

He wants us to ditch our community rights and submit to the mercy of GCs under the veil of we are all Cypriots. Not once has he uttered anything pro TC stance and suffering.

Although you may be open minded on the issue and vote for a TC regardless of ethnic origins but purely on viewpoint I still argue that on both sides of the divide the communities are not politically mature enough to take such a step and would disregard viewpoint for ethnic origin. I to would vote for Bananiot as I believe he has the best interests of everyone not just GCs, but I would not vote for you becuase I do not trust you one inch. The majority do not think like us and would never vote for a GC or TC just on merit and views, the racist biased still exsists on both sides and will only disappear in time. The temporary measure would be to have proportional representation with safeguards on sensative issues that woudll demand a certain number of votes from both sides to agree a decision.

[Bananiot]

That was not your concern in the previous post. You thought it was easy for anyone to become President.

[DT.]

That was not your concern in the previous post. You thought it was easy for anyone to become President.

who you talking to? VP or me?

[Viewpoint]

That was not your concern in the previous post. You thought it was easy for anyone to become President.

who you talking to? VP or me?

I think its you DT.

[humanist]

I would vote for socialist TC for president if he too belonged to the one and only socialist party of Cyprus made up of Cypriots who may speak Armenian, Turkish or Greek thats my two bob worth in this debate. VP am sorry but your out of the running on my vote :)

[DT.]

Here is the lousy Loukas Charalambous article for everyone to judge.

THE TWO leaders have been discussing the issue of the presidency (whether it should it be rotating) for two months now, without coming to an agreement. This is compelling proof of the ineffectiveness of the way the talks procedure is being conducted.

In an attempt to justify his proposal for the election of the president and the vice-president from the same ballot paper, President Christofias said the following in an interview in Kathimerini last Sunday:

“This promotes the unity of the state, the people and the institutions. It is a departure from the strict community and ethnic criterion and is dictated by a socioeconomic criterion.”

Political parties with the same ideology could join forces in elections to claim both the presidency and vice-presidency, he said. He did acknowledge, further down in the interview, that there was a problem and that “a way must be found to adjust the votes of the smaller community so that the bigger community does not impose its will.”

Of course the problem would be that no matter how the votes are adjusted the big community would essentially decide who would be elected as representative of the Turkish Cypriots. This is what Christofias cannot or does not want to understand.

In reality, such an arrangement would not strengthen the co-operation between the two communities within the framework of a federal administration. On the contrary, its implementation would prove a cause for bickering.

You only have to look at the numbers to understand how even a tiny percentage of Greek Cypriot votes could have a decisive influence in the election of the Turkish Cypriot representative. The voters of the Greek Cypriot community are about 500,000, while the Turkish Cypriots community’s (including the 50,000 settlers that would probably stay on after a settlement) would be in the region of 150,000.

Let’s assume there are two Turkish Cypriots standing for the post, with one receiving 82,000 votes and the other 68,000 from their community (55% and 45% of the vote respectively). As few as three per cent of the Greek Cypriot voters (15,000) could swing the result in favour of the candidate who took the smaller percentage of votes from the Turkish Cypriot community. Just think how the Turkish Cypriots would react to something like this – the Greek Cypriots essentially would be electing the representative of the Turkish Cypriots.

Christofias’ proposal is at best, absurd and it makes you wonder whether he had given it any thought before making it. Is it possible for Turkish Cypriots, who, under the 1960 constitution, had the right to choose the vice-president, to now agree that we would choose both the president and the vice-president? Does Christofias not credit them even with basic intelligence?

As regards, Christofias’ argument about encouraging the co-operation of political groupings, with similar ideological beliefs, from the two communities, he should look at the relevant provision in the Annan plan. The provision did not just encourage, but essentially forced the political parties to co-operate within the senate in the election of the members of the presidential council.

If the co-operation of the political parties was Christofias’ objective, then the best way to achieve this would have been the adoption of the above-mentioned Annan plan provision, instead of becoming lost in the impracticalities of his unfeasible proposal.

Kifeas, what have you done with your slogan about agreed partition? Have you changed your tune again, according to your prevailing mood?

If this is implemented and the logic of the author of that piece is implemented then I have one question to make

WHERE DO I SIGN UP TO BECOME A TC?

If in a population of voters of 650,000 I can become president with only 75,000 votes then I'm no fool and I want to be part of the "chosen people"

if he was reffering to me then Bananiot, my post above speaks clearly. You can be president of Cyprus with 75001 votes IF YOU ARE A TC.

Why are you pretending you don't understand. If you're having trouble justfying the unjustifiable as VP does then just do yourself a favour and remain quiet over this subject because theres no way in hell that you can justify 9% of a population electing a president on their own.

[Viewpoint]

You are right we do not have a chance in hell of voting in a TC president if you have your way, why do dismiss my questions? try to clarify what you exactly mean about dealing with sensative issues in the upper house, how will establish a balance not to allow sensative issues to be abused by the majority.

[Get Real!]

DT, why don't you start a new thread and give us an analysis of the Qatar deal which is more up your alley instead of putting us to sleep with pedantic vote-ology!