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[Get Real!]

how can 80% racist GC population ever vote in a TC president,

Watch them vote for an Armenian at the next presidential elections...

[Viewpoint]

perhaps your reflecting on the 18% racist notion and ideology.

Answer the question please, how on earth would we have a chance with the electorate being GC 80% racist, who would rather die than vote for a TC president.

Who would have ever thought that minority blacks (10%) in the USA could ever become a President despite having been slaves for few hundred years, denied their civil rights for another hundred years where segregation was the order of the day, in which the whites were the rulers. I believe you thought the same way too VP, even up to November 4th elections. Well VP, time does not stand still and people move forward with the times.

To answer your concerns in another way, I would eliminate all political parties and just create 3 main ones and let all people choose which party they want to belong to, so that we can all vote on ideology and not because the candidate is a GC or a TC. I would also go as far as saying, let each Presidential candidate only choose a running mate for the vice presidential post from the opposing ethnic group, so that there are always a TC and a GC in power simultaneously who would be elected by those from both major communities. This would go a long way to creating a political equality and a one man one vote system in a True Democracy.

We are talking GCs and TCs here, they are politically immature and would under no circumstancies come together as parties let alone vote for the other side.

[Kikapu]

perhaps your reflecting on the 18% racist notion and ideology.

Answer the question please, how on earth would we have a chance with the electorate being GC 80% racist, who would rather die than vote for a TC president.

Who would have ever thought that minority blacks (10%) in the USA could ever become a President despite having been slaves for few hundred years, denied their civil rights for another hundred years where segregation was the order of the day, in which the whites were the rulers. I believe you thought the same way too VP, even up to November 4th elections. Well VP, time does not stand still and people move forward with the times.

To answer your concerns in another way, I would eliminate all political parties and just create 3 main ones and let all people choose which party they want to belong to, so that we can all vote on ideology and not because the candidate is a GC or a TC. I would also go as far as saying, let each Presidential candidate only choose a running mate for the vice presidential post from the opposing ethnic group, so that there are always a TC and a GC in power simultaneously who would be elected by those from both major communities. This would go a long way to creating a political equality and a one man one vote system in a True Democracy.

We are talking GCs and TCs here, they are politically immature and would under no circumstancies come together as parties let alone vote for the other side.

Then I would suggest to those who do not wish to be just Cypriots and act like civilized citizens of Cyprus can choose to go and live in Turkey or Greece respectively and see how far they will get being accepted in the political systems of those countries. At some point we need to respect our Cypriotness over just being a TC or a GC. This is how things are done in civilized nations or they have wars. It is a simple choice to make. Peace or war.

[Get Real!]

Then I would suggest to those who do not wish to be just Cypriots and act like civilized citizens of Cyprus can choose to go and live in Turkey or Greece respectively and see how far they will get being accepted in the political systems of those countries. At some point we need to respect our Cypriotness over just being a TC or a GC. This is how things are done in civilized nations or they have wars. It is a simple choice to make. Peace or war.

Now there's a level-headed Cypriot!


Btw... I'm considering upgrading you from an oddball to the floating voters...

[Piratis]

perhaps your reflecting on the 18% racist notion and ideology.

Answer the question please, how on earth would we have a chance with the electorate being GC 80% racist, who would rather die than vote for a TC president.

Who would have ever thought that minority blacks (10%) in the USA could ever become a President despite having been slaves for few hundred years, denied their civil rights for another hundred years where segregation was the order of the day, in which the whites were the rulers. I believe you thought the same way too VP, even up to November 4th elections. Well VP, time does not stand still and people move forward with the times.

To answer your concerns in another way, I would eliminate all political parties and just create 3 main ones and let all people choose which party they want to belong to, so that we can all vote on ideology and not because the candidate is a GC or a TC. I would also go as far as saying, let each Presidential candidate only choose a running mate for the vice presidential post from the opposing ethnic group, so that there are always a TC and a GC in power simultaneously who would be elected by those from both major communities. This would go a long way to creating a political equality and a one man one vote system in a True Democracy.

We are talking GCs and TCs here, they are politically immature and would under no circumstancies come together as parties let alone vote for the other side.

This is what VP was saying about Americans and Obama:

You obviously haven't been to the USA, these people are still very racist just like the GCs and believe they are the chosen race again just like the GCs, whites may have voted for Obama but in the general election there will not be enough of them to get him in, Clinton would have been a better match for McCain, who is now guaranteed presidency.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=312234

What if he is not elected? will that prove how wrong you are? that your Jack and Norry story that you have us all believe is not reality, just as you do not see the reality in the TRNC how could you, you have not even been here, but I have been to the states many times and travelled from east to west. Will you weave another one of your stories when he loses the race, maybe you'll tell us about the one about that he was not voted in because of his policies or due to the make of his suit. You vomit words that look good on paper but hold no truth or substance.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=312362

[Piratis]

VP is right to think that we would never vote for a racist TC like himself. But most GCs would not have a problem at all to vote for a TC with the mentality of Kikapu.

In fact I would personally not have a problem if there would be required that at least 1 every 5 presidents is a TC, as long as the president is always elected by the Cypriot people as a whole. It is unacceptable for a leader of a country to be elected by just the 9% of the votes.

[humanist]

I think your understimating Cypriots. Perhaps you are representing only yourself on this forum VP? Therefore the small minded belief system, perhaps? Or I may just simply be wrong.

[Nikitas]

VP asks:

"Can you answer the question? how can 80% racist GC population ever vote in a TC president, the vice president post was to counter with a veto right any shinangins the GC president would try to impose which proved vital otherwise we never get a look in as GCs would always vote in their own man."

I would have NO PROBLEM at all voting for Sener Levent president, or professor Kizilyurek, or Sevgul Uludag, or the late Ozkur Ozgur. Frankly I think anyone of them would be a better president for Cyprus than any of the GCs voted in since 1960.

But you are missing the point VP. In the begininng obviously the chances of a TC becoming president will be pretty slim. In time it will be more and more likely, as Kikapu points out above regarding Obama. I believe that all citizens in a democracy should have the right to aspire to the highest office. The guarantees issue is separate from this. There are ways to safeguard the rights of communities without taking away this vital right to elect and be elected to the highest office.

It surprises me to hear this talk of equality of the two communities but always in conjunction with permanent political separation woven in the system.

Just think of it from the point of view of a child who says when I grow up I want to become president, only to be told that because of his or her ethnic origin he cannot, because he belongs to the side that elects the second in rank.

[Bananiot]

Nikitas, please climb down from the clouds. You know as well as anyone that the only way a TC can be President is through rotating presidency. Never mind whom you can vote for, is whom the majority votes for that counts. In Cyprus and in the Greek world at large the word turk is synonymous to a dirty word. If you want to belittle someone you call him a Turk or a Turk spawn. This was not brought about by the events of 1974 but it is an inherent behaviour of the majority of Greeks that goes back a long way because of the way history is taught in our schools.

The fact that the constitution was forced upon us in 1959 only illustrates what you get when you make a series of mistakes as we did in the early part of 1950. We faced a dilemma in 1959, either to sign the agreement and get the constitution (which Papadopoulos admitted after 45 years that it was a blessing in desguise) or face the fact that the armed struggle was faltering and the arrest of Grivas was at hand with a humiliating end to the struggle. The Brits allowed us to have our hero intact in a face saving deal we could not reject.

Asking the Turkish Cypriots to accept minority status is tantamount to asking someone to commit suicide because this is how the TC's feel, not necessarily because we would still behave as we did in the old days. However, in politics, when events happen, they always play a major role in the shaping of policies. Some people here think that it is just a game and we can say we stop playing and start again. It does not happen like this I am afraid. I wish it was possible but it is not.

[Bananiot]

DT, I was saying the same thing years before Christofias said it as President of Cyprus. However, I am not surprised you made this point, because this is favourite pastime, it seems. Just the other day you said that I learned something by watching Papapetrou on the telly. Perhaps tomorrow you can come with another one, which basically proves that there are many Bananiots in Cyprus.