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[humanist]

and that is precisely why neither partition will take place nor recognition of the "trnc" as an independent enityt. Europe will just not allow that. So the best the TC's can do is join with GC's to create a demoratic nation where anyone just like in the US can enjoy the opportunity to become President. with 2 Prime ministers per state the Pink State and Purpe State of the Federal Republic of Cyprus.

[Get Real!]

Kifeas said:

"For example, it denied and prohibited the right to 18% of the people (citizens) of this country to ever run and become presidents of their own country, "

Well said Kifeas!

Having sided and lost with the colonialist British, the leaders of the TC community should’ve been tried for high treason yet they found themselves as “partners” in the constitution brought about by the GC independence struggle they opposed!

Don't you or Kifeas give me any of that "democracy" crap now when it comes to London/Zurich!

[Nikitas]

I do not think that either Kifeas or I have ever said that the 1960 agreements were democratic. The opposite in fact has been said.

[Viewpoint]

I am consistent and I support the same thing for all minorities and all people even if some past agreement have unfairly removed some of their rights.

I support that all minorities should have the right to identify as they wish, that they should have full human and democratic rights, that they should have minority rights protecting their culture, language, religion or any other unique characteristics, and that if they are under represented in any important area (e.g. government, universities etc) that there should be affirmative actions in order to correct this.

Beyond that the citizens should all be equal with each other, one person one vote, and the democratic decisions should be respected by all.

What I say is based on principles and you can apply this in Greece, Turkey and Cyprus and it will better for all.

Now if you don't give a damn about principles, but you think that everybody should accept whatever can be enforced because this is the "real world", then do the same for all cases. You sound pathetic when you don't support the just cause of your own people, and at the same time you come here to support the cause of the Muslims of Greece.

So if the "majority" vote for slaughtering female babies at birth thats OK?

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas said:

"For example, it denied and prohibited the right to 18% of the people (citizens) of this country to ever run and become presidents of their own country, "

Well said Kifeas!

The implicit racism of the 1960 constitution always bothered me. The suprise is that TCs seem to accept this racist limitation without question. Whichever way you look at it, it is offensive to ask people to be part of a nation in which they cannot aspire to the highest office.

At university in London I tried to raise the point with some TC fellow students and I got blank stares and the stock reply "how can a TC ever be voted president of Cyprus when the majority are GCs". It was shocking to see racists rationale so deeply entrenched in the thinking of a generation.

Can you answer the question? how can 80% racist GC population ever vote in a TC president, the vice president post was to counter with a veto right any shinangins the GC president would try to impose which proved vital otherwise we never get a look in as GCs would always vote in their own man.

[humanist]

perhaps your reflecting on the 18% racist notion and ideology.

[Viewpoint]

perhaps your reflecting on the 18% racist notion and ideology.

Answer the question please, how on earth would we have a chance with the electorate being GC 80% racist, who would rather die than vote for a TC president.

[Piratis]

perhaps your reflecting on the 18% racist notion and ideology.

Answer the question please, how on earth would we have a chance with the electorate being GC 80% racist, who would rather die than vote for a TC president.

How do you know that? The president of the parliament, who is the second in command in the government of Cyprus and who is replacing Christofias when he is abroad, is Armenian Cypriot. If we were so racist then he wouldn't be in that position.

What you need is to show respect to us, and you will receive respect in return, like we respect all other minorities in Cyprus.

[Kikapu]

perhaps your reflecting on the 18% racist notion and ideology.

Answer the question please, how on earth would we have a chance with the electorate being GC 80% racist, who would rather die than vote for a TC president.

Who would have ever thought that minority blacks (10%) in the USA could ever become a President despite having been slaves for few hundred years, denied their civil rights for another hundred years where segregation was the order of the day, in which the whites were the rulers. I believe you thought the same way too VP, even up to November 4th elections. Well VP, time does not stand still and people move forward with the times.

To answer your concerns in another way, I would eliminate all political parties and just create 3 main ones and let all people choose which party they want to belong to, so that we can all vote on ideology and not because the candidate is a GC or a TC. I would also go as far as saying, let each Presidential candidate only choose a running mate for the vice presidential post from the opposing ethnic group, so that there are always a TC and a GC in power simultaneously who would be elected by those from both major communities. This would go a long way to creating a political equality and a one man one vote system in a True Democracy.

[Viewpoint]

perhaps your reflecting on the 18% racist notion and ideology.

Answer the question please, how on earth would we have a chance with the electorate being GC 80% racist, who would rather die than vote for a TC president.

How do you know that? The president of the parliament, who is the second in command in the government of Cyprus and who is replacing Christofias when he is abroad, is Armenian Cypriot. If we were so racist then he wouldn't be in that position.

What you need is to show respect to us, and you will receive respect in return, like we respect all other minorities in Cyprus.

They through in their lot with you guys, so they are assimilated, plus how do you know GCs willvote for a TC? we ask for a balance so that we are not left to the GC mercy and to chance.