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[Get Real!]

Leftist twat from Cyprus:

Would you like me to scan pictures for you of me and my grandmother at my paternal and maternal villages?

I go to my homeland whenever I want, and do what I please.

Your homeland was liberated from seven miserable years of your junta so that ours would be enslaved by the Turks because the Greek pussies run away and you have the audacity to come and brag about being able to visit your village you spineless galamaropoushto???

[Get Real!]

Gie tis shillas tis boutanas tis mavris bou enna mou bis emenan oti bais sto horko sou pezevenki tsie anoste!

[Viewpoint]

Bananiot people like Piratis will never learn by their mistakes they can only be jolted into understanding that the swing in power is exactly that it can also swing in favor of the other side yet again there are no guarantees by which time it is to late. He is uncompromising and clearly a danger to all TCs, he is unfortunately the majority in the south and is the reason why we will never find a solution I have tried to explain in the past that many TCs would accept a unitary state without guarantees if only people of your mentality were going to represent them, the trust is lacking and people like Piratis will insure this continues well into the future as they are unrelenting in their attitude of knowing all and what is best for TCs, this will never work and Piratis will make sure that safeguards and guarantees are vital to any solution that would expose us to a GC majority that supports his viewpoint.

[Nikephoros]

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Nikephoros can go to hell. I have been fighting throughout my adult life fascists of his kind who just happened to be born Greek. Had he been a Turk he would have been a Grey Woolf. They are all the same.

Actually leftist twitter, being a Greek is not a synonym for being a fascist. Turkish society on the other hand is at almost every instance directed by the militarism and imperialism of the Turkish General Staff. The Turkey/TRNC combo were, and remain to this day a country where there exists an official state ideology called Kemalism, the guardians of whom are the Turkish military. This militaritistic is supporting by an overwhelming majority of the Turkish people; there is no corollary in Greek society.

Turkey is the moslem nation using fanatic sectors of the population(like MHP auxiliaries to help spread the fanaticism of the Turkish state and its ethos) to hide the bare truth:

Turkey a country muslim in its history and present
1) cannot adhere to international law (hudna concept)
2) cannot adhere to human rights
3) cannot respect the concept of a citizien (instead Turks are subjects to their state)

Now you try to distort and present the danger as Greek fanatics! What a leftist loser Bananut!

Turkey uses Grey Wolves as a tactic. Turkey is not willing to use it its securities forces enough to intimidate the "Turkish subjects" of the Turkish devlet, so some "idealists" are left to fill a void. Then infront of the international community Turkey portrays itself as modern, progressive, tolerant and peaceful...

[BirKibrisli]

So we say we want to live in a truly democratic united country,but we are planning to achieve this by War,the most undemocratic way of them all...

We will wait for 1000 years if necessary,groom 3-4-5 or more generations to hate the "enemy",and then send them into battle to liberate our homeland....

And we believe that ,once the liberation is achieved,we will pick up the pieces,shed all the bitterness and hatred from our hearts,instantly turn into all-Compassionate Cypriots with no foreign attachments,guarantees or allegiances,and live happily ever after in peace and harmony...Please someone,tell me we are joking,or tell me at least we are writing a senario for some computer game....

[Paphitis]

Australia is known for its powerful diplomacy and has built strong alliances over the last 50+ years. We have changes in Government, but our national interests, diplomacy and Foreign Affairs are static and stable. Can you say the same about Cyprus? Confused

Yes we can say the same thing . Cyprus might be small but do not underestimate the location of the island . closed proximity to 3 huge regions Africa , Middle East , Europe and Russia. It can play an effective role in the region once a settlement is reached. In 1 hour flight you can travel in 3 regions this is a key advantage for any business and service.

A settlement might not be perfect but no country has a perfect democracy Coruption is everywhere. And BTW many african countries are functioning under a unitary state and 1 man and 1 vote and this does not mean they have democracy. Anyone need to be realist.

I think you have missed the point of my post.

I was insinuating that Cyprus has NO coherent and stable Foreign Policy. Every time there is a new Government, the country's policies in regards to Foreign diplomacy and national issues change. This is damaging to the core of the country, as each time new concessions are made which alter the realities on the ground.

Some countries are very good at maintaining one direction, and their national goals, and objectives. Cyprus is not one of those countries, whereas Turkey is.

I am fully aware that no country has a perfect democracy. But the type of democracy talked about in the current peace negotiations is worse than that of most Central African countries. In fact the GCs will be the most democratically underprivileged people in all of Cyprus. I can not accept this. I will not live in such a country, and I find it strange how you would consider such a scenario and live happily ever after.

Legitimacy is on our side. We must be patient. Any compromise deals which do not follow basic democratic and human rights, will be forever, and I can tell you that there are people that can never accept this. This means either mass migration of GCs from Cyprus, or constitutional mayhem leading to further violence.

[Piratis]

Piratis has said this a hundred times:

In fact in Cyprus the far right and the far left (e.i. the extremists) seem to agree on the "solution" they want.

Let us see, again for the hundredth time:

Sillouris, Koutsou, Stylianos Pattakos, Denktash, the deep state of Turkey, Siros (EOKA B second in command), all of these and many more of the same ... calibre voted (or supported the "NO" campaign) against solution in 2004 and in effect elected to keep the Turkish army in Cyprus for ever.

On the contrary, people like Takis Hadjimichael, Takis Hadjigeorgiou, Glafkos Klerides, Nikos Anastasiades, George Vasiliou, Mustafa Akinci, my friends Kemal, Halil and Mustafa, Niazi Kizilyurek, Neshe Yiasin and many others, voted for solution.

Here you are. You have in front of you two lists of people and I ask you to tell me which list contains the extremists.

I told you before Piratis. You create your own daemons and you fight them. You excuse yourself by promising to wait for another 1000 years if you have to, for the balance of power to change in our favour in order to liberate our lands. You cover your rhetoric with a thin coat of patriotism and you think you are home and dry. I think Mikkie gave a good answer to this dangerous obsession of yours and I do not need to add anything else.

Nikephoros can go to hell. I have been fighting throughout my adult life fascists of his kind who just happened to be born Greek. Had he been a Turk he would have been a Grey Woolf. They are all the same.

DISY, the party that harbors EOKA B and people like Karras and Pourgourides (known EOKA B members) have been among the most fanatical supporters of the "yes" campaign. Your friends Anastasiades and Kliredes who don't miss a Grivas memorial are the leaders of the only party who supported the Annan plan.

So your attempt to associate the 76% of the Cypriot people that rejected the Annan partition plan with specific people is rather redicoulous, since I can easily reverse your claims.

Once again your are trying to make a point not by discussing the essence of the issue, but by making childish "arguments".

The essence dear Bananiot is that a true solution and a real unification if not on offer today. What was on offer with Annan plan was a de jure partition of Cyprus.

Because you are a bit too think to understand what I am saying, let me use the metaphor:

A man (Cyprus) suffers from a decease (Turkish expansionism). The decease causes partial paralysis to the man, but it doesn't kill him. Unfortunately there is currently no known cure for this disease. Then somebody pretending to be a doctor comes along (Annan etc) and says to the man that he has the "solution" to the man's problem: "Look Mr. Cyprus, as you know there is no cure for your disease and you should understand this reality, but how about if you take this poison (Annan plan) which will kill you and solve in this way your problems?"

Mr. Cyprus said "NO". But according to Bananiot, we should have suicided just because a cure currently doesn't exist!

[Piratis]

Bananiot people like Piratis will never learn by their mistakes they can only be jolted into understanding that the swing in power is exactly that it can also swing in favor of the other side yet again there are no guarantees by which time it is to late. He is uncompromising and clearly a danger to all TCs, he is unfortunately the majority in the south and is the reason why we will never find a solution I have tried to explain in the past that many TCs would accept a unitary state without guarantees if only people of your mentality were going to represent them, the trust is lacking and people like Piratis will insure this continues well into the future as they are unrelenting in their attitude of knowing all and what is best for TCs, this will never work and Piratis will make sure that safeguards and guarantees are vital to any solution that would expose us to a GC majority that supports his viewpoint.

And how is one asking for his own human rights and his own land endanger you? My mentality is the mentality of a modern EU citizen that wants his rights, and he also respects the rights of others.

Apparently the mentality you like is the slave mentality of Bananiots, and it is obvious why.

[Piratis]

So we say we want to live in a truly democratic united country,but we are planning to achieve this by War,the most undemocratic way of them all...

Ever heard of revolution Bir? Where the people (the great majority) has revolted against their rulers (often foreign) to gain freedom and democracy?

I find nothing undemocratic in a revolution which aims to bring democracy and freedom to the people.

Of course we all hope that democracy and freedom can be achieved in another way, and I hope that this will be the case for Cyprus.

What is certain is that a ruler never gave up his rule voluntarily. He had to be forced to do it. It is unrealistic to expect Turkey to give up her control over north Cyprus unless she is forced to do so. Of course there are many different ways that force can be applied, but all of them will require a change in the balance of power.

[Paphitis]

So we say we want to live in a truly democratic united country,but we are planning to achieve this by War,the most undemocratic way of them all...

We will wait for 1000 years if necessary,groom 3-4-5 or more generations to hate the "enemy",and then send them into battle to liberate our homeland....

And we believe that ,once the liberation is achieved,we will pick up the pieces,shed all the bitterness and hatred from our hearts,instantly turn into all-Compassionate Cypriots with no foreign attachments,guarantees or allegiances,and live happily ever after in peace and harmony...Please someone,tell me we are joking,or tell me at least we are writing a senario for some computer game....

Your damn right!

We want to live in a truly democratic and united country with all our rights intact, just like they are in any other EU country. And the way we plan to achieve this is by being patient and await the inevitable changes that will occur in our region.

We are not going to legitimise the partition by accepting the BBF, as this would inevitably lead to constitutional and inter communal violence. This would then result in PERMANENT PARTITION with full international recognition, when you secede from the union. We will not accept any state of affairs which will result in you legitimately creating a Turkish Republic in Cyprus. We will not surrender, and the war will continue for as long as it takes. We will implement the EU Acquis over ALL of Cyprus.

True Democracy and Human Rights are so often achieved through sacrifice. And if this is what it takes, then we will proceed down this path when the balance of power changes. We are not going to sign any paper which would result in our enslavement to you.