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[Bananiot]

You can all queue up to kiss my hand, but make sure you wash your mouth first , especially Paphidis, who is absolutely sure that I am paid to write my views here.

[Paphitis]

You can all queue up to kiss my hand, but make sure you wash your mouth first , especially Paphidis, who is absolutely sure that I am paid to write my views here.

I would rather kiss Miltiades' dog. And that K9 is one ugly critter.

You do not deserve any respect, for I loathe you and your traitorous views.

If you have it your way, then you will destroy the hopes and dreams of all Cypriots, including me, as I want to move to Cyprus but will decide not to if any of your views or an Annan Plan type solution is implemented. I will instead opt for Greece or stay put in Australia.

I am no slave, as I live in a fully democratic nation and I will never give this up for what you propose. People like you should be taken out the back and ....!

How unrealistic of you to expect that Cypriots will sacrifice their democratic rights, and hand control of Cyprus to Turkey.

IT WILL NOT HAPPEN!

[Bananiot]

Okay, Turk eater, whatever you say.

[Paphitis]

Okay, Turk eater, whatever you say.

You call me a Turk Eater for just EXPECTING Cypriots to have the same rights in a unified Cyprus as what I enjoy in Australia?

Are you for real?

And yes, I believe that these rights are worth fighting for. Implement your Annan Plan, and you will find out the hard way when like minded people to myself, may create the next Cypriot Hell or inter communal violence! Some people just refuse to be under any one's thumb.

If on the other hand, a fair and just solution materialises, then no one will have anything to fear.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot's realism is the kind of thinking that will lead to another and much bigger conflict down the road.

A settlement which grants one side double the territory per ciitizen that it gives to all other communities of Cyprus combined creates a privileged class. Just remember that the 70-30 division of the civil service was the major catalyst of the 1963 conflict precisely because it turned the TCs into a privilieged class.

Anyone of middle age will remember all those talks abou the "εβδομήντα-τριάντα" in the sixties. No other issue was more inflammatory than that. If there was no such issue I am convinced there would have been no conflict.

Realism can also be viewed as cynicism, so some might say let us accept any solution now which will rid the island of the Turkish army and in a few years we will fix things our way.

The idea here is to have a solution which takes in BBF and makes it fair so no one will harbor a grudge, a solution that leaves the least possible room for a future conflict. Now if this approach seems unrealistic then we are simply heading for another mess.

I understand the need for Turkey to have a face saving solution, but that should not involve the humiliation of anyone in perpetuity. Turkey does not have the monopoly on national pride.

[Piratis]

all greeks talkin like hollywood film story. tyou are blind and cant see realty? the shit you are in? why nobody help you? becase tcs have right to fight for fair setlemnt. in your brain tc should not even be here. idots thats only in your little hating brain. you are realy stupid

You are in the shit, because you suffer the consequences of your illegal actions. If you had any right for what you are doing then why isn't your pseudo state recognized but it is instead declared legally invalid?

Greek Cypriots, despite the fact that have 1/3rd of their country occupied, have progressed way more than you and way more than your motherland.

[Piratis]

Hello,people...I am away from my computer and very pressed for time at the moment..So I can't reply to you all individually...But let me say this...

In my opinion Bananiot is the Ultimate realist...He can see what is and isnt possible under the circumstances...

He didn't see that Greek Cypriots accepting something like the Annan plan was totally unrealistic. I did.

Expecting Greek Cypriots to make a 180 degrees turn and accept what they rejected is as realistic as expecting from the Turks to do the same.

What is realistic is simple: That Greek Cypriots are not stupid to surrender their lands to the Turks, and that the Turks will continue to illegally occupying those lands for as long as they have the power to do so. (but not a day longer)

I agree with Piratis that things can change slowly,and sometimes quickly,but there is one thing which will never change...the nature and mentality of the Turkish people...I am not putting them down here...I have my fair share of the same mentality.. You are not dealing with the Europeans or the Americans or the Asians here...You are dealing with a people who would turn their personal wealth (money gold whatever)over to the treasury if their nation needs it to survive...You are dealing with a people who would take up arms (shotguns,knives,axes whatever) and run to defend their country (old men,women,children included) on one call from the Chief of the Military...Turkey would be the last nation on earth who would collapse economically or militarily...Those who are betting on Turkey's demise for a satisfactory solution in Cyprus are making a big mistake...They will live to regret it

I am sure this is what the Turks were thinking when they had the Ottoman empire. The Greeks liberated most of the Greek territories, winning most of the wars against the Turks. The Turks almost lost the Asia Minor as well from the Greeks who are 8 times less. So I am sorry Bir, but I am not buying the Turk super heroes stories. What matters most is that Turkey is an unstable torn country between Secularists and Islamists and between Turks and Kurds, and in the not so distant future there could be many opportunities for us. All we need to do until then is to maintain our rights over the whole island, and be prepared to act at the right time.

[Get Real!]

In my opinion Bananiot is the Ultimate realist...

And Bir is the ultimate in surrealism...

[Paphitis]

Hello,people...I am away from my computer and very pressed for time at the moment..So I can't reply to you all individually...But let me say this...

In my opinion Bananiot is the Ultimate realist...He can see what is and isnt possible under the circumstances...

He didn't see that Greek Cypriots accepting something like the Annan plan was totally unrealistic. I did.

Expecting Greek Cypriots to make a 180 degrees turn and accept what they rejected is as realistic as expecting from the Turks to do the same.

What is realistic is simple: That Greek Cypriots are not stupid to surrender their lands to the Turks, and that the Turks will continue to illegally occupying those lands for as long as they have the power to do so. (but not a day longer)

I agree with Piratis that things can change slowly,and sometimes quickly,but there is one thing which will never change...the nature and mentality of the Turkish people...I am not putting them down here...I have my fair share of the same mentality.. You are not dealing with the Europeans or the Americans or the Asians here...You are dealing with a people who would turn their personal wealth (money gold whatever)over to the treasury if their nation needs it to survive...You are dealing with a people who would take up arms (shotguns,knives,axes whatever) and run to defend their country (old men,women,children included) on one call from the Chief of the Military...Turkey would be the last nation on earth who would collapse economically or militarily...Those who are betting on Turkey's demise for a satisfactory solution in Cyprus are making a big mistake...They will live to regret it

I am sure this is what the Turks were thinking when they had the Ottoman empire. The Greeks liberated most of the Greek territories, winning most of the wars against the Turks. The Turks almost lost the Asia Minor as well from the Greeks who are 8 times less. So I am sorry Bir, but I am not buying the Turk super heroes stories. What matters most is that Turkey is an unstable torn country between Secularists and Islamists and between Turks and Kurds, and in the not so distant future there could be many opportunities for us. All we need to do until then is to maintain our rights over the whole island, and be prepared to act at the right time.

It is absolutely amazing what we as Greeks are capable of when we drop this defeatist crap. I grew up believing in these words:

ELEUTHERIA H THANATOS

I know it must sound romantic, but I still maintain those holy words.

The Turks are not made of special stuff. We have proven this many times and had more than our fair share in triumphs.

We will triumph in Cyprus as well. We will not cave in!

[EPSILON]

That is good Paphitis, I wouldn't have it any other way! This is called dissociation of the unlike, if you can get my drift.

When a man of the stature of Klerides talks the Paphitis's of the world should just shut up and listen.

Paphitis, he is right, a person who was taking a salary (only?) from Cyprus people for more than 50 years in order to create and then to solve the Cyprus problem must be a clever one.!!!!1