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[Viewpoint]

Bananiot can you not see that you are a very small minority of level headed thinkers who could clench a unitary state because TCs would have nothing to question as their future would be safe in the hands of people with your viewpoint. The mountain you have to climb with the likes of the Piratis of the GC south is phenomenal as they cannot see that they are their own worst enemy and they are the reason why we ask for safeguards and guarantees to make sure they keep their end of the deal they so easily forget our rights when its suits them, what they offer is no more than what we have a right to but they seem to think its a gift and that they are doing us a favor, they can start to prepare the benefits they have gained over the past 48 years from using the "RoC", lets offset this with what we have gained from the North and see the who has really benefited from division. They are hypocrites of the highest degree and this blindness and arrogant attitude only validates why we should not unite as you are unable to make any headway let alone the TC community, we don't stand a chance against such warped mentality, so please don't take us down that route or expose us to the dangers of people like Piratis who have only one aim and that is to convert the whole island into a GC state run by GCs for GCs with TCs as just another minority which he is having problems understanding we have never been and will never be as we are equal partners like it or not.

[Piratis]

You keep trying to excuse your crimes and illegal occupation of our land and you avoid answering the question: how is asking for our own human rights and our own land endanger you?

I didn't ask from you to give me your land or surrender to me your rights. But Bananiot is willing to surrender to you our land and our rights and that is why you like him.

It is an oxymoron for you to claim that you would accept a unitary state if everybody was like Bananiot, because you like Bananiot exactly because he would never ask for a unitary state, our land, and our rights. I

If he asked for such things then you would classify him as having a "warped mentality" as well.

[Viewpoint]

You keep trying to excuse your crimes and illegal occupation of our land and you avoid answering the question: how is asking for our own human rights and our own land endanger you?

I didn't ask from you to give me your land or surrender to me your rights. But Bananiot is willing to surrender to you our land and our rights and that is why you like him.

It is an oxymoron for you to claim that you would accept a unitary state if everybody was like Bananiot, because you like Bananiot exactly because he would never ask for a unitary state, our land, and our rights. I

If he asked for such things then you would classify him as having a "warped mentality" as well.

I am not asking for you to give up your land which will be returned where physically possible in a comprehensive solution, all TCs are ready for this what you have to accept is that your land will be administered by TCs in the north state just as some TC land will be in the south state run by GCs. Why do you want to force me to live under your rule but do not allow me the same right giving everyone the opportunity to decide which administration they wish to reside under.

The dangers are clear for all to see, I as a TC would be forced to live like a foreigner in my own country in a GC state run by GCs where I would exposed to people like yourself who are biased to the core and would easily discriminate against TCs using the EU as cover tying us up in knots leaving us in the ECHR corridors waiting years for our rights to be acknowledged and practiced.

The solution if it ever happens will be based on 2 equal founding states north and south have you not understood this? your leaders have and are negotiating on this matter right now, are you right and they wrong? maybe you should point it out to them as they seem to be more in line with what I am stating. You really need to catch up with whats going on as it will obviously leave you puzzled and voting no for the second time.

[Get Real!]

I am not asking for you to give up your land which will be returned where physically possible...

Picture a thief in a courtroom saying that…

[Piratis]

You keep trying to excuse your crimes and illegal occupation of our land and you avoid answering the question: how is asking for our own human rights and our own land endanger you?

I didn't ask from you to give me your land or surrender to me your rights. But Bananiot is willing to surrender to you our land and our rights and that is why you like him.

It is an oxymoron for you to claim that you would accept a unitary state if everybody was like Bananiot, because you like Bananiot exactly because he would never ask for a unitary state, our land, and our rights. I

If he asked for such things then you would classify him as having a "warped mentality" as well.

I am not asking for you to give up your land which will be returned where physically possible in a comprehensive solution, all TCs are ready for this what you have to accept is that your land will be administered by TCs in the north state just as some TC land will be in the south state run by GCs. Why do you want to force me to live under your rule but do not allow me the same right giving everyone the opportunity to decide which administration they wish to reside under.

The dangers are clear for all to see, I as a TC would be forced to live like a foreigner in my own country in a GC state run by GCs where I would exposed to people like yourself who are biased to the core and would easily discriminate against TCs using the EU as cover tying us up in knots leaving us in the ECHR corridors waiting years for our rights to be acknowledged and practiced.

The solution if it ever happens will be based on 2 equal founding states north and south have you not understood this? your leaders have and are negotiating on this matter right now, are you right and they wrong? maybe you should point it out to them as they seem to be more in line with what I am stating. You really need to catch up with whats going on as it will obviously leave you puzzled and voting no for the second time.

Mate, we never tried to force you to live under our administration. You are the ones who did this when you invaded us and our island and forced us to live under your rule.

What we want is called democracy, where the people of Cyprus rule themselves in a democratic way. If you don't like the fact that you are a minority in Cyprus that is really not our fault. You should have thought of it before invading us and transferring your population here and creating a minority on our island.

Your minority in Cyprus is like the Turkish minority in Bulgaria, or any other minority in the whole world. You trying to use force and blackmail in order to gain what does not belong to you, on our loss, only means that the conflict will continue until your illegalities end. We are not going to give up our land to be ruled by you, nor we will give up our human and democratic rights.

[Get Real!]

That’s right Piratis, or he can go back to where he came from and be part of the Turkish majority!

[Piratis]

That’s right Piratis, or he can go back to where he came from and be part of the Turkish majority!

Exactly. They are welcome to stay here as equal Cypriot citizens, but if they can accept democracy only if they belong in the majority ethnic group, then they will have to move to Turkey in order to get that.

How do the Greeks in Constantinople and Asia Minor in general accept to be ruled by Turks in their own country and they don't give all these lame excuses against democracy that VP gives?

Those Greeks that could stand living under Turkish rule they moved to Greece, even though they have far longer history in Asia Minor than any Turk has.

[lovernomore]

all greeks talkin like hollywood film story. tyou are blind and cant see realty? the shit you are in? why nobody help you? becase tcs have right to fight for fair setlemnt. in your brain tc should not even be here. idots thats only in your little hating brain. you are realy stupid

[BirKibrisli]

Hello,people...I am away from my computer and very pressed for time at the moment..So I can't reply to you all individually...But let me say this...

In my opinion Bananiot is the Ultimate realist...He can see what is and isnt possible under the circumstances...He can also see the consequences,if we fail to achieve a solution soon...He knows that we need to give Turkey a face saving excuse to leave Cyprus....He also knows we have the best opportunity under Erdogan's watch...I agree with Piratis that things can change slowly,and sometimes quickly,but there is one thing which will never change...the nature and mentality of the Turkish people...I am not putting them down here...I have my fair share of the same mentality.. You are not dealing with the Europeans or the Americans or the Asians here...You are dealing with a people who would turn their personal wealth (money gold whatever)over to the treasury if their nation needs it to survive...You are dealing with a people who would take up arms (shotguns,knives,axes whatever) and run to defend their country (old men,women,children included) on one call from the Chief of the Military...Turkey would be the last nation on earth who would collapse economically or militarily...Those who are betting on Turkey's demise for a satisfactory solution in Cyprus are making a big mistake...They will live to regret it..Because as Bananiot keeps pointing out,each new solution would be worse for Cypriots,and NO solution would be a disaster,in the short run for the TCs ,in the long run for all Cypriots...sorry ,don't have any more time to keep arguing today...Instead of insulting Bananiot you should all go and kiss his hand...He is a very wise man,and he truly cares about the future his homeland...Bye for now...

[Nikephoros]

You are not dealing with the Europeans or the Americans or the Asians here

I have known for a long time we are dealing with fanatic Sunni muslims(specifically Turks). Perhaps Bananut feels he is dealing with Europeans who can respect agreements and have an interest in peace. War-mongering, violating agreements, no free speech, violence, militarism and threats is an inseperable part of the Turkish ethos.

ou are dealing with a people who would take up arms (shotguns,knives,axes whatever) and run to defend their country (old men,women,children included) on one call from the Chief of the Military...

Maybe idealist Turks like those ones can send their old men, women and children to Aktütün. I here it is a very safe place for Turks...