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[Kifeas]

Did he now DT? Perhaps you agree with Paphitis that Klerides has lost his marbles.

I use to think he was an intelligent and astute individual. He was a Mosquito Pilot.

But I do not know what happened when he became President? A good example of old age Cognitive Decline.

The guy is delusional to think that these peace talks are our final opportunity.

Why would a former leader use a fear campaign against his own people so that we accept any unfair peace settlement which hands Cyprus over to Turkey?

Klerides was always a pro-US, pro-British politician. His entire career was built and facilitated on this premise. He received considerable help from these two entities, in becoming who he became. His aim and mission is thus to facilitate the interests of his benefactors. Britain and the US are up to a closing of the Cyprus issue, within the context of safeguarding Turkey's and theirs ill perceived interests. Klerides feels he is "obliged" to facilitate this policy. "Scaremongering" the GCs, he figured out, might be a good way to reduce their moral ground and push them towards the way his patrons want, which is to accept any solution that will be placed in front of us so that the problem is "wrapped and closed" in their way.

[Paphitis]

Did he now DT? Perhaps you agree with Paphitis that Klerides has lost his marbles.

I use to think he was an intelligent and astute individual. He was a Mosquito Pilot.

But I do not know what happened when he became President? A good example of old age Cognitive Decline.

The guy is delusional to think that these peace talks are our final opportunity.

Why would a former leader use a fear campaign against his own people so that we accept any unfair peace settlement which hands Cyprus over to Turkey?

Klerides was always a pro-US, pro-British politician. His entire career was built and facilitated on this premise. He received considerable help from these two entities, in becoming who he became. His aim and mission is thus to facilitate the interests of his benefactors. Britain and the US are up to a closing of the Cyprus issue, within the context of safeguarding Turkey's and theirs ill perceived interests. Klerides feels he is "obliged" to facilitate this policy. "Scaremongering" the GCs, he figured out, might be a good way to reduce their moral ground and push them towards the way his patrons want, which is to accept any solution that will be placed in front of us so that the problem is "wrapped and closed" in their way.

Thank you Kifeas!

I gathered as much. I also presume Anastasiades suffers from the same disease. Cypriots need to be vigilant to this type of treachery.

As for President X, I have been unable to work out his agenda. He has me stumped.

I say, bring back Tassos Pappadopoulos. He stood true to his people.

But still, we have Marios Karoyian. The next President of Cyprus IMHO!

[Paphitis]

That is good Paphitis, I wouldn't have it any other way! This is called dissociation of the unlike, if you can get my drift.

When a man of the stature of Klerides talks the Paphitis's of the world should just shut up and listen.

This is who I call a man of stature!



When he talks, everyone should listen. Bananiot, I think you need to listen to him very carefully.

[Bananiot]

Rubbish Kifeas. Klerides is not pro anything, he is a realist who understands that everytime we extended our arm beyond our reach, we paid a hefty price. Listen to him tonight and then draw your own conclusions Paphitis. Can you do this?

[Paphitis]

Bananiot,

I made my own mind up in 2004, when everything started to become very clear.

Sadly, I think you have a major issue with accepting the wishes of the vast majority of the electorate.

The current administration is even changing the history books in order to make the Turks look good. They are also neglecting the armed forces and negotiating with our basic democratic and human rights, which we have as a result of others sacrificing their lives.

Cyprus has legitimacy on her side. And what you are asking is for us to throw in the towel, surrender and lose the war.

The Cyprus Problem would have been solved by now, as the "trnc" was on the verge of bankruptcy. Then we throw them a life line.

Did you not hear Marios Karoyian' speech the other day?

Absolutely inspiring!

[Get Real!]

Glafkos Klerides: Not to be missed

[Kifeas]

Did he now DT? Perhaps you agree with Paphitis that Klerides has lost his marbles.

I use to think he was an intelligent and astute individual. He was a Mosquito Pilot.

But I do not know what happened when he became President? A good example of old age Cognitive Decline.

The guy is delusional to think that these peace talks are our final opportunity.

Why would a former leader use a fear campaign against his own people so that we accept any unfair peace settlement which hands Cyprus over to Turkey?

Klerides was always a pro-US, pro-British politician. His entire career was built and facilitated on this premise. He received considerable help from these two entities, in becoming who he became. His aim and mission is thus to facilitate the interests of his benefactors. Britain and the US are up to a closing of the Cyprus issue, within the context of safeguarding Turkey's and theirs ill perceived interests. Klerides feels he is "obliged" to facilitate this policy. "Scaremongering" the GCs, he figured out, might be a good way to reduce their moral ground and push them towards the way his patrons want, which is to accept any solution that will be placed in front of us so that the problem is "wrapped and closed" in their way.

Thank you Kifeas!

I gathered as much. I also presume Anastasiades suffers from the same disease. Cypriots need to be vigilant to this type of treachery.

As for President X, I have been unable to work out his agenda. He has me stumped.

I say, bring back Tassos Pappadopoulos. He stood true to his people.

But still, we have Marios Karoyian. The next President of Cyprus IMHO!

I must agree with you on Marios karoyian.

He is the most intelligent, most well rounded, balanced, sensible, frank, sound and straight forward GC political voice, at this given time!

[BirKibrisli]

Bananiot,

I made my own mind up in 2004, when everything started to become very clear.

Sadly, I think you have a major issue with accepting the wishes of the vast majority of the electorate.

The current administration is even changing the history books in order to make the Turks look good. They are also neglecting the armed forces and negotiating with our basic democratic and human rights, which we have as a result of others sacrificing their lives.

Cyprus has legitimacy on her side. And what you are asking is for us to throw in the towel, surrender and lose the war.

The Cyprus Problem would have been solved by now, as the "trnc" was on the verge of bankruptcy. Then we throw them a life line.

Did you not hear Marios Karoyian' speech the other day?

Absolutely inspiring!

Paphidis,
Do you really think the GC administration would change the history books to make the Turks look good???? If they are changing the history books,I guess it is to remove obvious anti-Turkish bias or prejudice,as part of the peace process...A time comes when it is indeed time to cut ones loses and compromise to achieve a solution,if there is no end in sight,and time is running against Cypriots of all ethnic backgrounds...
Make no mistake about this,the trnc will never be allowed to go bankrupt,even if Turkey herself goes bankrupt...You have no idea what you are dealing with here. Take it from me,I know the Turkish mentality very well...I must say i know nothing about Karoyian,but if Kifeas says he is worth getting to know,he is worth getting to know...

[Tim Drayton]

Paphitis said, "The Cyprus Problem would have been solved by now, as the "trnc" was on the verge of bankruptcy. Then we throw them a life line."

I think this is very mistaken thinking. Turkey has earmarked 600 million new Turkish lira by way of subisdy to the TRNC economy in 2008 (source: a speech made by prime-Minister Soyer in July). Turkey's GDP last year was in excess of one trillion new Turkish lira, a figure that seriously understates the true size of the country's economy given the amount of unrecorded business transactions that go on there. This subsidy is a drop in the ocean to Turkey. The policy you advocate of squeezing the Turkish Cypriots until they all come out waving white flags is pie in the sky. The more the Turkish Cypriot economy is squeezed, the more Turkey will bail it out. This will only make the Turkish Cypriots ever more dependent on the motherland, thus permitting her to accelerate her programme of obliterating all traces of a separate Turkish Cypriot identity and turning the north of Cyprus into a de facto province of Turkey, perhaps one day to become de jure a province thereof.

[denizaksulu]

That is good Paphitis, I wouldn't have it any other way! This is called dissociation of the unlike, if you can get my drift.

When a man of the stature of Klerides talks the Paphitis's of the world should just shut up and listen.

Got it loud and clear, and I too would not have it any other way.

I have had enough of reading defeatist crap on this forum.

Get it through you thick heads - the more you use a fear campaign against the Cypriot population, then the more chance of another resounding NO vote at the next referendum.

Cypriots are not stupid!

That is a matter of opinion Baphidis. Both sides have shewn how stupid they can behave. The evidence is before us. A divided island. What other proof do you need?