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[Expatkiwi]

Sorry to disappoint GR but i have been to NZ, and i have to say that from the very top (Helen Clarke PM) down to the average joe on the street the Maori culture has been embraced more than any other country on earth. Even the whites appear to be proud of the Maori history of the nation, white rugby/rugby league players do the Haka along with their native countrymen before every match, they wear maori symbols aound their necks. I think that every nation on earth (including australia) could learn a thing or two from New Zealand.
Their only problem is an inferiority complex they have when it comes to Australians

Don't talk to me about Aussies, Al! Anyway, I have a strong affinity for the Maori culture, and the ongoing Maori renaissance is going to be mutually beneficial for the Maori and the European New Zealanders. If only that attitude could have been applied to Cyprus, there probably wouldn't be a "Cyprus Problem"...

Big Al,

I think you might be right!

Kiwis really do have an inferiority complex.

Only in regards to Aussies cheating at sport...

[Big Al]

Sorry to disappoint GR but i have been to NZ, and i have to say that from the very top (Helen Clarke PM) down to the average joe on the street the Maori culture has been embraced more than any other country on earth. Even the whites appear to be proud of the Maori history of the nation, white rugby/rugby league players do the Haka along with their native countrymen before every match, they wear maori symbols aound their necks. I think that every nation on earth (including australia) could learn a thing or two from New Zealand.
Their only problem is an inferiority complex they have when it comes to Australians

Don't talk to me about Aussies, Al! Anyway, I have a strong affinity for the Maori culture, and the ongoing Maori renaissance is going to be mutually beneficial for the Maori and the European New Zealanders. If only that attitude could have been applied to Cyprus, there probably wouldn't be a "Cyprus Problem"...

Big Al,

I think you might be right!

Kiwis really do have an inferiority complex.

it may be a result of us accusing them of the following :

[Expatkiwi]

You know, Al, you're really not making things any easier on this forum thread...

[Big Al]

just kidding, i couldnt help myself.....

[Expatkiwi]

just kidding, i couldnt help myself.....

Okay, Al.... Seriously though, GR has been more than an annoyance, and I don't just mean the attempted blackmail and the bucolic obsecnities he hurls my way. By using the NZ Maori tack, he is trying to divert attention from the key issue I'm pushing with him, which is simply for him to present factual and non-biased data to show me that I'm wrong on the TRNC issue.

[Big Al]

just kidding, i couldnt help myself.....

Okay, Al.... Seriously though, GR has been more than an annoyance, and I don't just mean the attempted blackmail and the bucolic obsecnities he hurls my way. By using the NZ Maori tack, he is trying to divert attention from the key issue I'm pushing with him, which is simply for him to present factual and non-biased data to show me that I'm wrong on the TRNC issue.

i think you're pissing into the wind here with GR, he wont be sticking to facts when the facts are against him

[Paphitis]

The challenge was only to you GR, and the topic is simple: Why do you think I am wrong in my stance of supporting the Turkish Cypriots right of self-determination? No threats, no bluster, no nationalist rhetoric. Just a dispassionate dissertation on why you think I am wrong.

Does you stance also apply to the NZ Maories, Australian Aboriginals, North American Red Indians and Turkish Kurds?

If not, then you are a hypocrite!

Pathitis, I support the inalienable right to self-determination. That includes Aborigines, Kurds, and of course the Maori.

So you would support the Kurds carving up a good piece of Turkey to form their own nation?

In any respect, the Cyprus Problem is not about the TCs wanting self determination, as this is exactly what they would have under a unified Cyprus, and is something they do not have today under the rule and servitude of the Turkish Army.

The Security Issue is the main focal point for TCs in the Cyprus Issue. Unfortunately, you even fail to grasp the basic fundamentals of the Cyprus Problem.

You should instead focus more on trivial matters such as Australians cheating in sport.

[Big Al]

The challenge was only to you GR, and the topic is simple: Why do you think I am wrong in my stance of supporting the Turkish Cypriots right of self-determination? No threats, no bluster, no nationalist rhetoric. Just a dispassionate dissertation on why you think I am wrong.

Does you stance also apply to the NZ Maories, Australian Aboriginals, North American Red Indians and Turkish Kurds?

If not, then you are a hypocrite!

Pathitis, I support the inalienable right to self-determination. That includes Aborigines, Kurds, and of course the Maori.

So you would support the Kurds carving up a good piece of Turkey to form their own nation?

In any respect, the Cyprus Problem is not about the TCs wanting self determination, as this is exactly what they would have under a unified Cyprus, and is something they do not have today under the rule and servitude of the Turkish Army.

The Security Issue is the main focal point for TCs in the Cyprus Issue. Unfortunately, you even fail to grasp the basic fundamentals of the Cyprus Problem.

You should instead focus more on trivial matters such as Australians cheating in sport.

Paphitis, i think you need to stop assuming you know what TC's want. Do you really believe that TC's main issue is security with the Turkey's armed forces being so big? Even if Turkey were to withdraw all its forces from cyprus, they could be back in cyprus in under 1 hour. TC's have lived under a GC government in the past and it didnt work, under a unified cyprus they again become a minority, this is what they dont want, they want to run their own country.

[Paphitis]

The challenge was only to you GR, and the topic is simple: Why do you think I am wrong in my stance of supporting the Turkish Cypriots right of self-determination? No threats, no bluster, no nationalist rhetoric. Just a dispassionate dissertation on why you think I am wrong.

Does you stance also apply to the NZ Maories, Australian Aboriginals, North American Red Indians and Turkish Kurds?

If not, then you are a hypocrite!

Pathitis, I support the inalienable right to self-determination. That includes Aborigines, Kurds, and of course the Maori.

So you would support the Kurds carving up a good piece of Turkey to form their own nation?

In any respect, the Cyprus Problem is not about the TCs wanting self determination, as this is exactly what they would have under a unified Cyprus, and is something they do not have today under the rule and servitude of the Turkish Army.

The Security Issue is the main focal point for TCs in the Cyprus Issue. Unfortunately, you even fail to grasp the basic fundamentals of the Cyprus Problem.

You should instead focus more on trivial matters such as Australians cheating in sport.

Paphitis, i think you need to stop assuming you know what TC's want. Do you really believe that TC's main issue is security with the Turkey's armed forces being so big? Even if Turkey were to withdraw all its forces from cyprus, they could be back in cyprus in under 1 hour. TC's have lived under a GC government in the past and it didnt work, under a unified cyprus they again become a minority, this is what they dont want, they want to run their own country.

Big Al,

Unfortunately I think you are out of touch with the facts in Cyprus.

The majority of TCs actually want a solution and do not want their own seperate nation. The Annan Plan referendum proved this. The current momentum in negotiations again proves this. There are other factors as well, of which I am unable to mention.

The issue is finding the right formula for a solution that is acceptable to both communities. This is the challenge.

The main stumbling blocks to a solution are the Guarantor Treaties (Security Issue), property rights and power sharing.

[Big Al]

The challenge was only to you GR, and the topic is simple: Why do you think I am wrong in my stance of supporting the Turkish Cypriots right of self-determination? No threats, no bluster, no nationalist rhetoric. Just a dispassionate dissertation on why you think I am wrong.

Does you stance also apply to the NZ Maories, Australian Aboriginals, North American Red Indians and Turkish Kurds?

If not, then you are a hypocrite!

Pathitis, I support the inalienable right to self-determination. That includes Aborigines, Kurds, and of course the Maori.

So you would support the Kurds carving up a good piece of Turkey to form their own nation?

In any respect, the Cyprus Problem is not about the TCs wanting self determination, as this is exactly what they would have under a unified Cyprus, and is something they do not have today under the rule and servitude of the Turkish Army.

The Security Issue is the main focal point for TCs in the Cyprus Issue. Unfortunately, you even fail to grasp the basic fundamentals of the Cyprus Problem.

You should instead focus more on trivial matters such as Australians cheating in sport.

Paphitis, i think you need to stop assuming you know what TC's want. Do you really believe that TC's main issue is security with the Turkey's armed forces being so big? Even if Turkey were to withdraw all its forces from cyprus, they could be back in cyprus in under 1 hour. TC's have lived under a GC government in the past and it didnt work, under a unified cyprus they again become a minority, this is what they dont want, they want to run their own country.

Big Al,

Unfortunately I think you are out of touch with the facts in Cyprus.

The majority of TCs actually want a solution and do not want their own seperate nation. The Annan Plan referendum proved this. The current momentum in negotiations again proves this. There are other factors as well, of which I am unable to mention.

The issue is finding the right formula for a solution that is acceptable to both communities. This is the challenge.

The main stumbling blocks to a solution are the Guarantor Treaties (Security Issue), property rights and power sharing.

Power sharing, you said it, the solution the GC's want is with a strong central government, whereas the TC's want to run their own affairs, this is where the negotiations will go to shit. Guarantor powers and property issues can be sorted, power sharing cant be.