So you claim / believe. Just because you claim / believe it that does not mean it is so.
My reading abilities in Greek are better than yours, and unlike you I have read the articles that General Karayiannis wrote. Of course you choose not to believe me and you are free to do so, but you are making another...error
You get serious. You claim the quote I have used is made up to further TC propaganda but seem incapable of accepting even the possibility that a GC may have omitted something for propaganda purposes. Apparently then you believe in the ridiculous (race based) notion that TC use propaganda but GC could not do such a thing. Get serious.
Don't you think that your "habit" of reversing my posts is rather ….childish?
Again I wonder what your reaction will be if I mamage to find a copy of the _original_ article and produce that and it does contain the quote you say is 'made up' (with your 1000% proofs of its being made up).
And what if you don't? Ooops…..see what you did? Now I too have started posting "if’s".
So you claim.
So I know.
Talk of chewing words! I am confident of my assertion that the major reason TC fled their homes was GC violence against them and fear of that violence. I selected the evidence I felt supported that claim. I am confident of my claim and that there is ample evidence to support it. However the selction of that evidence was a 'judgement call' in as far as it relevant in supporting my claims. That does not mean the evidence does not exit or I have no confidence in my claim or the evidence. It means that what evidence I selected to support this claim is a judgment call.
More chewing....
Standard cop out. Care to address the point perhaps? I doubt it.
You asked a question and I replied. What else can I do? If you do not like the answers, next time you ask me a question just go ahead and type my answer right next to it.
Well go and find out then, for you will not believe any evidence that I present. There had been intercommunal violence between the two communites for as long as there was British rule and before that too.
When you present real facts that are somehow documented, then why shouldn't I believe you? So please, go ahead and share your knowledge with me. After all, I am in this forum to learn.
You have also written that TC planned the forcing of TC from thier homes into these enclaves and executed this plan and this was a bigger factor in TC fleeing their homes than GC violence against TC.
No, this is not quite what I wrote unless of course you want to interpret it as such. Like I and others wrote elsewhere, the relocation of populations in Cyprus was an integral part of Ankara's partition plan for the reasons that we all know. It is also my opinion that Turkey expected to carry out the invasion as soon as 1963 or 1964 as they attempted to do, but their plans were postponed.
No this is not all that you have said. You have said that GC violence was not the major factor in why TC fled their homes. You have said (with no evidence presented at all) that TC force TC from thier homes.
In 1964, a British Lieutenant Commander named Martin Packard was assigned the task to go around the island and try to prevent further clashes between GCs and TCs. From the "Cyprus Conspiracy" by O'Maley & Craig (pp 102-103):
"…His (Packard's) reputation for stopping skirmishes and defusing tension between villagers without firing a shot became legendary. While the diplomats and generals in Washington and London plotted large-scale military operations, he used the simple tactic of face to face negotiations to persuade them to put down their weapons".
And while Packard was on a Patrol accompanied by 2 majors from the Greek and Turkish armies:
"The most menacing place the patrol visited was Louroujina,
where Turkish leaders were concentrating large numbers of refugees, many against their will, from smaller villages."
Are you now claiming that GC violence against TC was a 'temporary relocation'? Pah !
Remember that almost half of the TC population went on living outside the enclaves until 1974. Remember that most TCs were relocated into the enclaves at a time when there was no actual fighting going on. And finally, remember that it was the TC separatist administration that kept them locked in these enclaves by issuing and enforcing strict rules.
But even beyond all these, Makarios did offer even as early as 1964 to disband all GC fortifications on the island under UN upervision, to grant an amnesty on all TCs and help resettle TC refugees ("The Cyprus Conspiracy" by O'Maley & Craig - p. 106).
I may just as well claim that what Turkey did in 74 was a 'temporary relocation' of GC and that it was GC that stopped GC from returning to their homes as thus are the ones that are responsible for GC fleeing them in the first place.
I am afraid that the last 30 years during which the GC refugees remain in forced exile are enough proof that such a claim is another ridiculous thing to say.
Oh believe me I will. You have created the perfect conditions to show my stubbornness. If I have to fly to Greece and search the archives of the newspaper in question and hire a Greek speaking translator to help me do so, to 'defend' the quote I made I will do so. It may take me years to get round to being able to do this but I will do it.
Hahahahaha…..your problem is bigger than what I thought
Oh so innocent!. Do you not recall typing
Othellos wrote:
The only reason I pointed that out was because I suspected that you have no sense of humor at all.
Yes, that was my suspicion at the time. But after what you wrote above (see quote) I am not sure that this is the case anymore
Saying you think someone has no sense of humour is not a personal attack?
Is it?
Does my sense of humour or your views on it have any relevance what so ever to this discussion?
In my opinion, it has every relevance with the way this discussion is being conducted.
O.
