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In memory of Stephanos Stephanou

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Postby bigOz » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:02 pm

Get Real! wrote:A stark reminder to all who think it’s safe to gamble one’s life in an illegal military area where international organizations like the UN, Red Cross, and others at the forefront of human rights and justice, sadly have no jurisdiction. :(


And I take it, there is no abuse of power by the police in the so called "legal" military area of Cyprus (AKA South Cyprus)...

I do not condone any action that may result in the death of any nationality in police custody and/or by the police force, and there is no justification for it... but it does happen half a dozen times a year in UK and many other EURO-countries! Hence I do not necessarily agree with some of your comments. In any case, irrespective of the ethnic origins of the accused and the victim, it would be "shit-stirring", to say the least, if we all start jumping to conclusions. I strongly believe if there is a foul-play and a guilty party(ies), they would definitely be punished just as vigorously as in any other country... 8)
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:00 pm

Although it is very regrettable that such and incident should happen, this only goes to prove the dangers faced by both sides in a unified Cyprus, after such an incident it would be tit for tat and things will escalate out of hand causing grief and heartache to many famalies who now live peacefully.
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Postby Sotos » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:13 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Although it is very regrettable that such and incident should happen, this only goes to prove the dangers faced by both sides in a unified Cyprus, after such an incident it would be tit for tat and things will escalate out of hand causing grief and heartache to many famalies who now live peacefully.


So that is what you were hopping when you murdered him? To start another conflict? So you did the tit and we didn't do the tat. What are you going to do next? Kill more and more until you finally start another conflict like all the other conflicts you started because you wanted to steal our land?
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:21 pm

bigOz wrote:
Get Real! wrote:A stark reminder to all who think it’s safe to gamble one’s life in an illegal military area where international organizations like the UN, Red Cross, and others at the forefront of human rights and justice, sadly have no jurisdiction. :(


And I take it, there is no abuse of power by the police in the so called "legal" military area of Cyprus (AKA South Cyprus)...

I do not condone any action that may result in the death of any nationality in police custody and/or by the police force, and there is no justification for it... but it does happen half a dozen times a year in UK and many other EURO-countries! Hence I do not necessarily agree with some of your comments. In any case, irrespective of the ethnic origins of the accused and the victim, it would be "shit-stirring", to say the least, if we all start jumping to conclusions. I strongly believe if there is a foul-play and a guilty party(ies), they would definitely be punished just as vigorously as in any other country... 8)

You seemingly haven't grasped the difference between a recognized UN member Vs a unrecognized illegal entity, with respects to human rights and security of the individual in general. The sheer number of runaway criminals finding refuge in the “TRNC” alone should’ve been enough to give you a hint…
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:01 pm

Sotos wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Although it is very regrettable that such and incident should happen, this only goes to prove the dangers faced by both sides in a unified Cyprus, after such an incident it would be tit for tat and things will escalate out of hand causing grief and heartache to many famalies who now live peacefully.


So that is what you were hopping when you murdered him? To start another conflict? So you did the tit and we didn't do the tat. What are you going to do next? Kill more and more until you finally start another conflict like all the other conflicts you started because you wanted to steal our land?


I cannot control the feelings of TCs just as you cannot control the GCs and the actions that comes out of these feelings, do you want expose your community to these dangers?
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Postby bigOz » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:09 am

Get Real! wrote:
bigOz wrote:
Get Real! wrote:A stark reminder to all who think it’s safe to gamble one’s life in an illegal military area where international organizations like the UN, Red Cross, and others at the forefront of human rights and justice, sadly have no jurisdiction. :(


And I take it, there is no abuse of power by the police in the so called "legal" military area of Cyprus (AKA South Cyprus)...

I do not condone any action that may result in the death of any nationality in police custody and/or by the police force, and there is no justification for it... but it does happen half a dozen times a year in UK and many other EURO-countries! Hence I do not necessarily agree with some of your comments. In any case, irrespective of the ethnic origins of the accused and the victim, it would be "shit-stirring", to say the least, if we all start jumping to conclusions. I strongly believe if there is a foul-play and a guilty party(ies), they would definitely be punished just as vigorously as in any other country... 8)

You seemingly haven't grasped the difference between a recognized UN member Vs a unrecognized illegal entity, with respects to human rights and security of the individual in general. The sheer number of runaway criminals finding refuge in the “TRNC” alone should’ve been enough to give you a hint…


Yeah! Sure Get Real! Tell me something, since when has UN recognition helped stop atrocities or murders of the innocent in any country? So what you are now saying is "It is OK to abuse power by any official as long as he/she is a member of a state recognised by the UN" - what a load of bull....

Furthermore, I would bet my last dollar that there are more runaway criminalsm sifting through South than in North Cyprus. We might have 3 or 4 at the most, do you have any intelligence or official info on how many criminals may be on the run in the South from India, Russia, Turkey, Middle East, or the Eastern Block???

Only a couple of months ago or so month I saw a TV documentary about Cyprus on BBC showing the number of stolen cars that are being retrieved from South Cyprus Show-rooms, by the British police specially coming over from UK and checking cars for sale! It was more like half the top (expensive) cars for sale in these premises were stolen goods...

As for your suggestion that we are an illegal entity - that is total rubbish! We may not be recognised as a state, but there is nothing illegal about our existance! The whole of Europe recognises that and takes no legal action against a TC for entering their country as a TC, we sell our produce to many countries LEGALLY, and import even more so LEGALLY, we even have seats reserved at the UN. Last but not least, your own government has recognised that there is nothing ILLEGAL about our existance, hence people including foreigners can cross the borders between North and South LEGALLY!

DREAM ON Get Real, I am back to give you a wake up call :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:48 am

bigOz wrote:Yeah! Sure Get Real! Tell me something, since when has UN recognition helped stop atrocities or murders of the innocent in any country? So what you are now saying is "It is OK to abuse power by any official as long as he/she is a member of a state recognised by the UN" - what a load of bull....

Furthermore, I would bet my last dollar that there are more runaway criminalsm sifting through South than in North Cyprus. We might have 3 or 4 at the most, do you have any intelligence or official info on how many criminals may be on the run in the South from India, Russia, Turkey, Middle East, or the Eastern Block???

Only a couple of months ago or so month I saw a TV documentary about Cyprus on BBC showing the number of stolen cars that are being retrieved from South Cyprus Show-rooms, by the British police specially coming over from UK and checking cars for sale! It was more like half the top (expensive) cars for sale in these premises were stolen goods...

As for your suggestion that we are an illegal entity - that is total rubbish! We may not be recognised as a state, but there is nothing illegal about our existance! The whole of Europe recognises that and takes no legal action against a TC for entering their country as a TC, we sell our produce to many countries LEGALLY, and import even more so LEGALLY, we even have seats reserved at the UN. Last but not least, your own government has recognised that there is nothing ILLEGAL about our existance, hence people including foreigners can cross the borders between North and South LEGALLY!

DREAM ON Get Real, I am back to give you a wake up call :lol:

You’ve given us a good reminder why nobody remembers your input in the CyProb.

I’m not going to bother responding to this irrelevant rubbish other than inform you that if you think you’re good at justifying the unjustifiable show us what you're made of here…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus18062.html
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:38 am

my condolences as well, to the family.

...as to the apologists in this thread, you should worry for yourselves, your denial does not bode well, (as though the person being "Greek" makes a difference), if you truly desire to represent yourself as a people worthy of the world's recognition and esteem.
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Re: In memory of Stephanos Stephanou

Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:35 am

DT. wrote:The memorial of Stephanos Stephanou who was killed last year while in Turkish police custody will be held on the 1st November at the Church of Konstantinou kai Elenis at 10:00am. The family invite all those who wish to pay their respects to join us in remembering him on that day.

Thank You


I am unable to attend in person, but my thoughts will be with you on that day.
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Postby DT. » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:46 am

Thanks, seems like the Cyprus Mail should have an interesting piece on this tomorrow.
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