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[Get Real!]

So what if Turkey has "rights of guarantee" on paper....????Let them have their guarantee and take their soldiers out of Cyprus... Then make sure we don't give them another opportunity or excuse to invade again....

Asking the citizens of a sovereign country to live under a neighbor’s threat so that a volatile TC minority may forever have the luxury of playing political games at will is counterproductive for ALL concerned; your people included.

If anything it’s the TC minority that needs to ensure they don't give the majority GCs another opportunity or excuse that may end up like the 63 events you often complain about…

Your time would be better spent TEACHING your people to SWIM WITH THE FLOW instead of against it because those minorities that did (Maronites, Armenians) today have a life style around 10x superior to that of the foolish TCs, so those “terrible” Greek Cypriots must know a thing or two about the good life after all…

[CopperLine]

Dear, DT....It is possible to respect someone's overall stand but not agree with him in every detail...let me tell you why I think Bananiot is a true Cypriot and a real patriot (though he would hate me for calling him that)...

Bananiot has respect ,understanding and empathy for the TCs,he understands the very difficult position they are in,and he knows why they are where they are...He has not taken the easy road(blame everything on the other side),wiped out everything that happened before 1974,and present the whole problem as simply "a problem of Turkish occupation"...He knows that time is working against Cypriots and against unification...He knows that soon,withing 25 years say,in about half the time this conflict has been playing out,there will be no one left who will remember what it was like to live together,let alone want to...He knows that when that time comes nobody would talk about a BBF, never mind about unification...Partition will just be a fete accompli,end of story...Bananiot can see both sides of the equation,and believes that both sides must compromise to get a solution...To prevent Cyprus and Cypriots from being torn apart,to preserve some sort of self-determination for all Cypriots...So what if Turkey has "rights of guarantee" on paper....????Let them have their guarantee and take their soldiers out of Cyprus... Then make sure we don't give them another opportunity or excuse to invade again.... And with their soldiers let them take most of their settlers with them,to make room for the refugees who might still want to return...Bananiot is a True Cypriot because he is not after revenge or punishment for some percieved wrongs some Cypriots might have committed in the past... JHe knows as I know that Turkey was dragged into this conflict by the big international powers to serve their interests...He is a realist who is trying to keep the baby and throw away some of the bath water...He loves the Republic in all its diversity and never blames the victims for the wrongs done to some other victims...He can see the big picture,refusing the lure of petty nationalism and vengeful partisanship...He sees what none of you can see,that no one,not the EU or the UN or America or Russia will lift a finger to help Cypriots get their country back,because it is not in their interest,and everything has always revolved about the national interests of the Bully boys...Bananiot knows that the national interest of Cyprus lies in giving whatever concessions necessary to get Turkey out of Cyprus,and return it to her people irrespective of their ethnic origin...And make sure the mistakes of the past are never repeated...I respect him because he is not deluded,like some are in this Forum,believing that force of arms will ever,can ever, solve this problem...He knows that Peace can only be achieved by working for peace and not by preparing for War...

Bananiot's mere presence on this Forum gives me some hope that sanity might one day rule...That we are not all bitter and twisted egomaniacs,slaves of our base animal insticts...I am happy to say that your presence too,DT,is a very hopeful sign that some of us are thoughtful,inquisitive,decent human beings capable of independent thought,empathy and compassion for our compatriots...All is not lost as long as Bananiots of this world keep their spirits up...

Well said.

[halil]

You guys are making me nervous with all these soft spots

TDP and AKEL had meeting today let see what came out .....

The Communal Democracy party has visited the ruling Greek Cypriot political party AKEL.

The meeting which lasted for approximately 2 hours was held at the AKEL headquarters.

In his statement at the end of the meeting, TDP Leader Mehmet Cakici pointed to misunderstandings between the two sides and underlined the need for understanding each other better.

He expressed the belief that AKEL will willingly work towards achieving this.

Mr Cakici stressed that they will be searching for a settlement in Cyprus till the end and reiterated the basis of a solution as a bi-zonal, bi-communal federal structure based on political equality.`We fully support the agreements reached between the two leaders. We will continue to do so in their right initiatives but we also know to criticize the wrong ones` he added.

Cakici also underlined the importance of reaching an early settlement on the island and said time works against Cypriots.

For his part, the AKEL Deputy Secretary-General Nikos Katsurides said the two parties agree on the solution of the Cyprus problem which will be based on the establishment of a federation envisaging a bi-zonal and bi-communal structure.

Explaining that AKEL is in favour of reaching a political settlement in Cyprus with a federation that will foresee the political equality of two peoples as well as single identity and sovereignty in line with the UN Security Council resolutions, Mr Katsurides said they will continue efforts towards a settlement.

Adding that AKEL will work to keep in touch with other political powers in the North, he said this is the best way to respond to those who try to spread false information on both sides.

[Bananiot]

Halil, did Cakici take the place of Mustafa Acinci? I have a lot of respect for Akinci. What has happened to him?

[halil]

Halil, did Cakici take the place of Mustafa Acinci? I have a lot of respect for Akinci. What has happened to him?

Yes Bananiot now he is party leader ,Akıncı is they are only MP .

He is retiring . TDP also has new elected general secretary now .İt is a lady called Meltem Onurkan Samani

here is the some notes from TDP web page . To get some idea about they are policies .

Çakıcı was speaking on Bayrak tv after meeting today .he was saying this will be our last chance .He said both sides are agreed on BBF solution and he is wondering why the progress goes slow ? are they slowing down because of Turkey talks with EU as u know Cyprus will take presidency
more details will bo tomorrow .

have a look TDP comments:2006-TO BE A NORMALIZING YEAR


As “Accession Negotiations” have started between European Union and Turkey, it is envisaged that during the process the relations betweeen Turkey and the Republic of Cyprus (which is represented only by Greek Cypriots) will be normalized and Turkey will have to open its airports and sea ports for the Customs Union agreement to function for all new member states including Cyprus.

With the accession of the Republic of Cyprus to the European Union on 1 May 2004 and now Turkey’s start of “Accession Negotiations” on 3 October 2005, new parameters have emerged. With the new situation and new parameters, new policies have to be developed in order to guide us to the solution of the Cyprus problem.

If in 2006 Turkey starts normalizing its relations with the Republic of Cyprus under Greek Cypriot administration and the Republic of Cyprus does not normalize itself internally, the rights of Turkish Cypriots will further deteriorate and Turkish Cypriots will further be pushed into uncertainity.

Due to this, we feel that a normalization process will have to start in Cyprus as well. For this we invite all the related, interested parties, mainly the two communities, to consider the suggestions and proposals which we have developed in our party organs.



1-) The goal in Cyprus should be to establish a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation by keeping in mind 1977-79 high level agreements, political equality as envisaged in the Annan Plan and 1960 Constitution and treaties which created the Republic of Cyprus.

Intercommunal talks should start under the UN auspices as soon possible.

2-) Until we reach the Federal state status, a normalizing process should start with the participation of Turkish Cypriots in the 1960 Constitutional organs. ( Such as, House of Representatives and Council of Ministers. )



In this regard we propose the following:

a-) The conditions should be created for the President of TRNC to assume the responsibilities and authorities of the Vice-Presidency of the Republic of Cyprus.

b-) The conditions should be created for Turkish Cypriots to assume the responsibilities and the authorities of the ministries in the Council of Ministers as envisaged in the constitution.

c-) The conditions should be created for Turkish Cypriots to take their seats in the House of Representatives as envisaged in the constitution.

3-) When Turkish Cypriots assume their duties in the House of Representatives, a joint ad-hoc Constitution Committee should be formed with equal representation of the two communities. The committee with the help and support of NGO’s from both communities should work and prepare a Federal State Draft Constitution.

4-) The airports and sea ports of the island should open for operations under a joint administration composed of members of both communities and under the supervision of EU for the free trade of all related parties.

5-) Turkey should start normalizing its relations with the Republic of Cyprus where the relations of two communities have already started normalizing. In this regard Turkey should open its ports to the Republic of Cyprus airplanes and vessels.

6-) Having in mind that the Federal Republic of Cyprus will have two federated states and the political determination expressed by Turkish Cypriots on 24 April 2004, Cyprus Turkish State should start to organize. The Administration should be handed over to Turkish Cypriots in its real sense. Turkish Cypriots should be masters of their house and be able to make their own decisions.

7-) A specific number of Turkish troops should leave the island, keeping in mind not to create security concerns.

Varosha, under the supervision of United Nations and/or European Union, should be handed over to its former inhabitants.

9-) Under the supervision of the Council of Europe, a census should be held on both sides of Cyprus.

10-) The Finance Regulation which amounts to 259 million EURO’s for the Turkish Cypriots, should be implemented mainly for the purpose of harmonization process with EU.






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[Nikitas]

Bir said:

"So what if Turkey has "rights of guarantee" on paper....????Let them have their guarantee and take their soldiers out of Cyprus..."

Ah Bir! If the only thing that Turkey wanted is that guarantee there would be no problem! But they want so much more and frequently say so. When we hear that Cyprus is "vital to Turkey's security", or that "the seas south of Cyprus are part of Turkey's continental shelf", or that "Turkey will never remove its troops from Cyprus" the situation assumes a different cast.

Giving in to these demands automatically means that we must bend the other way to accomodate Greece too, and then we are back at square one where the embassies of our three guarantors are the real seats of power and their willing local helpers are busily responding to their masters' voices.

The thing missing is an emphatic demand by TCs for independence. GCs asking for the removal of settlers and the army cannot do it, it can easily be construed as racism or nationalism. Only TCs can do it. And instead of such a demand we see more settlers, more dealings in land. When Talat says that if the Turkish army leaves the GCs will have the TCs for breakfast then we are kind of stuck.

[Bananiot]

It is not as simple as that Nikitas. The majority of the Turkish Cypriots probably want Turkey out, once solution is found, and the repatriation of most of the settlers. Turkey is playing a tactical game at the moment and on top of that the right is engaging in some obscure dealings with the aim of keeping Turkey in the island. The EU future of Turkey will play a major role in the forthcoming events and perhaps it is our only leverage we hold over Turkey. However, I am not sure if we possess the acuteness to exploit this, since we demonstrated quite clearly that we are prone to making serious mistakes when we allow our own right to dictate tactics and policies. We seem to lack independent, unbiased think-tanks that could study, advice and formulate realistic short and long term policies. We seem uncertain as to the kind of solution we want and literally we keep changing our objectives according to our hunches regarding what Turkey is after. In 2003 we failed miserably to recognise the changes in Turkey and like imbeciles we repeated a phrase that seemed palatable and was well understood by the lesser heads. We only saw “communication games” when Turkey and the north were rocked by the winds of change. When more knowledgeable people tried to lend a helping hand we spat in their face. In short, it is okay to just blame Turkey for everything but this does not solve our problem, Nikitas.

Thanks for the info, Halil.

[halil]

just to remind ,

we all know that many times Turkey declare when the exceptable solution comes to Cyprus she will take her troops back .remember last time when the Buyuk Kanıt was in North Cyprus we heard it again from his own sayings .

[denizaksulu]

You guys are making me nervous with all these soft spots

You should not be nervous DT. He is right; or I should say both BK and Bananiot are right.

[Get Real!]

Bananiot is a True Cypriot because he is not after revenge or punishment for some percieved wrongs some Cypriots might have committed in the past... JHe knows as I know that Turkey was dragged into this conflict by the big international powers to serve their interests...He is a realist who is trying to keep the baby and throw away some of the bath water...He loves the Republic in all its diversity and never blames the victims for the wrongs done to some other victims...He can see the big picture,refusing the lure of petty nationalism and vengeful partisanship...He sees what none of you can see,that no one,not the EU or the UN or America or Russia will lift a finger to help Cypriots get their country back,because it is not in their interest,and everything has always revolved about the national interests of the Bully boys...

Right… so Bananiot is all these wonderful things you describe above because he has lost all hope that he can ever acquire captured territory back!

Well there you go people! The sooner you GIVE UP wanting to liberate your country the sooner this false prophet will shower you with compliments like he did to Bananiot!

Bananiot knows that the national interest of Cyprus lies in giving whatever concessions necessary to get Turkey out of Cyprus,and return it to her people irrespective of their ethnic origin

Seriously now... what is your IQ?