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Is the Ercan “airport” legal?

Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:13 pm

Is the Ercan “airport” legal?


The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) was the result of the 1944 Chicago Conference to establish an international authority for civil aviation matters.

http://www.icao.int/


The International Civil Aviation Organization membership list includes Cyprus and Turkey as members but not “TRNC”.

http://www.icao.int/cgi/goto_m.pl?cgi/statesDB4.pl?en


The Convention on International Civil Aviation clearly DIRECTLY LINKS the United Nations with any barring or debarring of country/state memberships…


1) A State whose government the General Assembly
of the United Nations has recommended be debarred from
membership in international agencies established by or
brought into relationship with the United Nations shall
automatically cease to be a member of the International
Civil Aviation Organization;

2) A State which has been expelled from membership
in the United Nations shall automatically cease to be a
member of the International Civil Aviation Organization
unless the General Assembly of the United Nations attaches
to its act of expulsion a recommendation to the contrary.

b) A State which ceases to be a member of the
International Civil Aviation Organization as a result of the
provisions of paragraph a) above may, after approval by the
General Assembly of the United Nations, be readmitted to the
International Civil Aviation Organization upon application and
upon approval by a majority of the Council.

C) Members of the Organization which are suspended
from the exercise of the rights and privileges of membership in
the United Nations shall, upon the request of the latter, be
suspended from the rights and privileges of membership in this
Organization.


http://www.icao.int/icaonet/arch/doc/7300/7300_9ed.pdf


It is well known that the “TRNC” has been declared by the United Nations as ILLEGAL in accordance with UN resolution 541 and cannot therefore ever be admitted to the International Civil Aviation Organization, thus rendering the port ILLEGAL.

In the UN’s own words…

“…the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" is invalid”

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm



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Postby CopperLine » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:54 pm

Is the pope catholic ?


Fact : Ercan airport is a functioning airport.
Fact : Ercan airport receives and dispatches a typical variety of short and medium range jet aircraft, all approved by ICAO.
Fact : Flights to and from Ercan have the UK and Germany, for example, amongst their destinations/origins, as well as Turkey, all subject to ICAO regulation.
Fact : Ercan is an airport which provides facilities for a number of airlines with international routes all governed by ICAO.

Fact : Ercan airport is not ICAO registered, broadly for the reasons Get Real gave.

But so what ? Does it make a huge amount of practical difference ? Non-recognition is annoying, it increases operation costs, it contributes to 'isolation' but, in general, people are still using Ercan like any other local airport.

(So your scare quotes should not be around airport - it unquestionably functions as an airport - the scare quotes, if used, should be around 'legal' ! And why the definite article before Ercan ?)
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Postby CBBB » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:55 pm

CopperLine wrote:Is the pope catholic ?


Fact : Ercan airport is a functioning airport.
Fact : Ercan airport receives and dispatches a typical variety of short and medium range jet aircraft, all approved by ICAO.
Fact : Flights to and from Ercan have the UK and Germany, for example, amongst their destinations/origins, as well as Turkey, all subject to ICAO regulation.
Fact : Ercan is an airport which provides facilities for a number of airlines with international routes all governed by ICAO.

Fact : Ercan airport is not ICAO registered, broadly for the reasons Get Real gave.

But so what ? Does it make a huge amount of practical difference ? Non-recognition is annoying, it increases operation costs, it contributes to 'isolation' but, in general, people are still using Ercan like any other local airport.

(So your scare quotes should not be around airport - it unquestionably functions as an airport - the scare quotes, if used, should be around 'legal' ! And why the definite article before Ercan ?)


They might have flights with origins/destinations of UK & Germany, but they still have to stop in Turkey!
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:48 pm

Touching down in Turkey for 30 minutes does not detract from the fact that Ercan is a functioning airport, I know you hate to hear this but its a fact and a reality you have to deal with.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:49 pm

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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:49 pm

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Postby CBBB » Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:59 pm

You have a photocopier?
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Postby Piratis » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:29 pm

CBBB wrote:
CopperLine wrote:Is the pope catholic ?


Fact : Ercan airport is a functioning airport.
Fact : Ercan airport receives and dispatches a typical variety of short and medium range jet aircraft, all approved by ICAO.
Fact : Flights to and from Ercan have the UK and Germany, for example, amongst their destinations/origins, as well as Turkey, all subject to ICAO regulation.
Fact : Ercan is an airport which provides facilities for a number of airlines with international routes all governed by ICAO.

Fact : Ercan airport is not ICAO registered, broadly for the reasons Get Real gave.

But so what ? Does it make a huge amount of practical difference ? Non-recognition is annoying, it increases operation costs, it contributes to 'isolation' but, in general, people are still using Ercan like any other local airport.

(So your scare quotes should not be around airport - it unquestionably functions as an airport - the scare quotes, if used, should be around 'legal' ! And why the definite article before Ercan ?)


Nobody questions that it is an airport. Like forged money is still money, and several people might be using them either willingly or unwillingly as normal money. This doesn't make them legal though.

The facts which are related to the legality of the airport are:

Fact: In Cyprus there is only one state - the Republic of Cyprus
Fact: Only the state can designate the legal airports in its own territory Fact: The Republic of Cyprus has not designated Tymbou/Ercan as a legal airport
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Postby CopperLine » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:40 pm

Nobody questions that it is an airport
Maybe so, Piratis, but it was Get Real who put the scare quotes around "airport" as if to question what it was. Maybe just a mistake.

I don't really see the point of this thread other than to contrive another opportunity to say that TRNC is an illegal entity or that it is not recognised. We know. And despite that knowledge dozens of different agencies and government authorities, including those of the RoC, do not treat those who use Ercan - passengers, airlines, commercial enterprises, banks, jetfuel suppliers, etc - as 'illegals'. Many of us are travelling through Ercan and Larnaca with equal ease with not a jot of objection by the RoC (or TRNC) authorities.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:44 pm

CBBB wrote:You have a photocopier?


His has the one propaganda leaflet machine in the whole "TRNC", but damn it if he can get it to work properly .... :lol:
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