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[Oracle]

A plane moving in Cyprus airspace or landing somewhere in Cyprus without the prior approval of the relevant RoC authorities is acting illegally.

Can we legally shoot them down then?

Is the twisted individual who posted the above about shooting down airliners the same sanctimonious person who posted this :

Isn't there some Law about inciting illegal behaviour?

Yeah but the first was a joke ... except that other countries have happily shot down planes invading their air-space illegally .... so maybe the RoC should be viewed with an even more positive light for not acting on that precedent.

Secondly ... you were the one inciting illegal behaviour ... If I was enquiring about the legitimacy of shooting down unauthorised planes flying into one's air-space ... that is hardly the same as you extolling positivity to Niki's nephew, to fly in to Cyprus illegally!

[CopperLine]

What a sense of humour !!! Heard the one about the 250 innocent people who were killed in an aircrash ? Oracle thought it would be fun to shoot them down. Wow. I nearly laughed. Not. It's probably how you tell them Oracle.

except that other countries have happily shot down planes invading their air-space illegally

Happily indeed ? Really ? How about one example of a airliner being shot down "happily" for entering unauthorised airspace ?

"...inciting illegal behaviour" ? Utter nonsense. It is not illegal to enter northern Cyprus. That TRNC is not recognised or that it is described as an 'illegal' entity is NOT at all the same in law as saying that it is illegal to go to northern Cyprus. If it was illegal, that is a breach of a law, you'd have to point to the specific law that is being broken. (Please do not refer to UNSC resolutions which have nothing to say about travel to a place). But even if one puts specific law to one side, the fact of the matter is that EU citizens and non-EU citizens are travelling to and from northern Cyprus all the time, and not in breach of any law. Moreover the RoC authorities actively participate in administering the passage of people to and from the north every minute of the day. On your daft account, Oracle, the EU and its citizens and public servants, the RoC and its citizens and public servants, numerous states and their citizens and public servants are all inciting illegal behaviour.

[Piratis]

Why dont the "RoC" prosecute all these people crossing south everyday? Feel free to do so and see what the consequences will be, place these Brits in GC jails awaiting trial, if you've got the bottle go ahead and do it, put TCs in prison as well and see how the world reacts.

You mean like the innocent GCs you put in prison and beaten them to death?

Or you think the world will react only when criminals are imprisoned and not when you arrest innocent people for things like trying to cut a flower from the garden of their own, illegally occupied, home?

I am sure the RoC is considering the prosecution of such people and when they start the only consequence will be that far less idiots will be willing to commit this crime thinking they can get away with it.

It is unfortunate that you take the good will and flexibility of RoC as a weekness. And then you have people like Bananiot thinking that gestures of goodwill from our part have any positive effect on you. Thank you for proving Bananiot wrong once again.

[Piratis]

What a sense of humour !!! Heard the one about the 250 innocent people who were killed in an aircrash ? Oracle thought it would be fun to shoot them down. Wow. I nearly laughed. Not. It's probably how you tell them Oracle.

except that other countries have happily shot down planes invading their air-space illegally

Happily indeed ? Really ? How about one example of a airliner being shot down "happily" for entering unauthorised airspace ?

"...inciting illegal behaviour" ? Utter nonsense. It is not illegal to enter northern Cyprus. That TRNC is not recognised or that it is described as an 'illegal' entity is NOT at all the same in law as saying that it is illegal to go to northern Cyprus. If it was illegal, that is a breach of a law, you'd have to point to the specific law that is being broken. (Please do not refer to UNSC resolutions which have nothing to say about travel to a place). But even if one puts specific law to one side, the fact of the matter is that EU citizens and non-EU citizens are travelling to and from northern Cyprus all the time, and not in breach of any law. Moreover the RoC authorities actively participate in administering the passage of people to and from the north every minute of the day. On your daft account, Oracle, the EU and its citizens and public servants, the RoC and its citizens and public servants, numerous states and their citizens and public servants are all inciting illegal behaviour.

The only one who threatens to shoot down airliners is Turkey. They threaten that if our airplanes pass over the Turkish airspace they will shoot them down. Cyprus Airways has to go around Turkey when traveling north (e.g. Russia).

Those who have killed millions of innocent people in various genocides and threaten to kill even more, are coming here to give us lessons!!

[Oracle]

What a sense of humour !!! Heard the one about the 250 innocent people who were killed in an aircrash ? Oracle thought it would be fun to shoot them down. Wow. I nearly laughed. Not. It's probably how you tell them Oracle.

except that other countries have happily shot down planes invading their air-space illegally

Happily indeed ? Really ? How about one example of a airliner being shot down "happily" for entering unauthorised airspace ?

"...inciting illegal behaviour" ? Utter nonsense. It is not illegal to enter northern Cyprus. That TRNC is not recognised or that it is described as an 'illegal' entity is NOT at all the same in law as saying that it is illegal to go to northern Cyprus. If it was illegal, that is a breach of a law, you'd have to point to the specific law that is being broken. (Please do not refer to UNSC resolutions which have nothing to say about travel to a place). But even if one puts specific law to one side, the fact of the matter is that EU citizens and non-EU citizens are travelling to and from northern Cyprus all the time, and not in breach of any law. Moreover the RoC authorities actively participate in administering the passage of people to and from the north every minute of the day. On your daft account, Oracle, the EU and its citizens and public servants, the RoC and its citizens and public servants, numerous states and their citizens and public servants are all inciting illegal behaviour.

Whatever!

You certainly were ... please see over page!

[CopperLine]

What a sense of humour !!! Heard the one about the 250 innocent people who were killed in an aircrash ? Oracle thought it would be fun to shoot them down. Wow. I nearly laughed. Not. It's probably how you tell them Oracle.

except that other countries have happily shot down planes invading their air-space illegally

Happily indeed ? Really ? How about one example of a airliner being shot down "happily" for entering unauthorised airspace ?

"...inciting illegal behaviour" ? Utter nonsense. It is not illegal to enter northern Cyprus. That TRNC is not recognised or that it is described as an 'illegal' entity is NOT at all the same in law as saying that it is illegal to go to northern Cyprus. If it was illegal, that is a breach of a law, you'd have to point to the specific law that is being broken. (Please do not refer to UNSC resolutions which have nothing to say about travel to a place). But even if one puts specific law to one side, the fact of the matter is that EU citizens and non-EU citizens are travelling to and from northern Cyprus all the time, and not in breach of any law. Moreover the RoC authorities actively participate in administering the passage of people to and from the north every minute of the day. On your daft account, Oracle, the EU and its citizens and public servants, the RoC and its citizens and public servants, numerous states and their citizens and public servants are all inciting illegal behaviour.

Whatever!

You certainly were ... please see over page!

I looked over the page and this is what I wrote :

I share your concern and questions regarding your nephew's travel plans. After all the arguments about 'legality/illegality', the practical experience of most travellers to the north is that it is safe and unproblematic. In practical terms the Republic of Cyprus immigration and border control authorities are fully aware that people are entering the island through the north, Ercan for example, and leaving through the south, or vice versa. 99 times out of 100 there is no problem, especially if the traveller is an EU citizen.

I'd recommend your nephew take the opportunity to travel north and south ina any combination of entry and exit as suits him. We live and learn.

Where's the incitement to illegal behaviour ?

I'm waiting for your examples of 'happily' shooting down airliners. Or has Google let you down ? Whatever.

[Oracle]

What a sense of humour !!! Heard the one about the 250 innocent people who were killed in an aircrash ? Oracle thought it would be fun to shoot them down. Wow. I nearly laughed. Not. It's probably how you tell them Oracle.

except that other countries have happily shot down planes invading their air-space illegally

Happily indeed ? Really ? How about one example of a airliner being shot down "happily" for entering unauthorised airspace ?

"...inciting illegal behaviour" ? Utter nonsense. It is not illegal to enter northern Cyprus. That TRNC is not recognised or that it is described as an 'illegal' entity is NOT at all the same in law as saying that it is illegal to go to northern Cyprus. If it was illegal, that is a breach of a law, you'd have to point to the specific law that is being broken. (Please do not refer to UNSC resolutions which have nothing to say about travel to a place). But even if one puts specific law to one side, the fact of the matter is that EU citizens and non-EU citizens are travelling to and from northern Cyprus all the time, and not in breach of any law. Moreover the RoC authorities actively participate in administering the passage of people to and from the north every minute of the day. On your daft account, Oracle, the EU and its citizens and public servants, the RoC and its citizens and public servants, numerous states and their citizens and public servants are all inciting illegal behaviour.

Whatever!

You certainly were ... please see over page!

I looked over the page and this is what I wrote :

I share your concern and questions regarding your nephew's travel plans. After all the arguments about 'legality/illegality', the practical experience of most travellers to the north is that it is safe and unproblematic. In practical terms the Republic of Cyprus immigration and border control authorities are fully aware that people are entering the island through the north, Ercan for example, and leaving through the south, or vice versa. 99 times out of 100 there is no problem, especially if the traveller is an EU citizen.

I'd recommend your nephew take the opportunity to travel north and south ina any combination of entry and exit as suits him. We live and learn.

Where's the incitement to illegal behaviour ?

Here ....

I'd recommend your nephew take the opportunity to travel north and south ina any combination of entry and exit as suits him.

But don't worry, I believe in Freedom of speech on fora, so I will not prosecute you

I'm waiting for your examples of 'happily' shooting down airliners. Or has Google let you down ?

Afghans Say Pakistan Shot Down an Airliner
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Published: April 1, 1987
LEAD: Afghanistan said today that the plane shot down by Pakistani fighters on Monday was a passenger aircraft with 40 people on board.

Afghanistan said today that the plane shot down by Pakistani fighters on Monday was a passenger aircraft with 40 people on board.

The Afghan radio also said the plane was an AN-26 and had been attacked by two Pakistani fighters over the Afghan province of Paktia on a domestic flight.

Pakistan said Monday that its air force had shot down a military plane 10 miles inside Pakistani airspace over the Kurram salient, which borders on Paktia.

The Pakistani authorities have not identified the plane. But witnesses described it variously as an AN-26, a propeller transport plane, or a Sukhoi SU-22, a jet fighter.

There was no immediate explanation for the discrepancy between the Pakistani and Afghan accounts.

The Afghan radio, monitored here, did not say where the plane crashed or what happened to those on board. It said the passenger list included 40 people, including two children.

Maj. Shah Nawaz of the Pakistani Kurram Militia said today that heavy rain hampered a search for the wreckage. Pakistani authorities have given only sparse details on the downing of the plane.

[Viewpoint]

Why dont the "RoC" prosecute all these people crossing south everyday? Feel free to do so and see what the consequences will be, place these Brits in GC jails awaiting trial, if you've got the bottle go ahead and do it, put TCs in prison as well and see how the world reacts.

You mean like the innocent GCs you put in prison and beaten them to death?

Or you think the world will react only when criminals are imprisoned and not when you arrest innocent people for things like trying to cut a flower from the garden of their own, illegally occupied, home?

I am sure the RoC is considering the prosecution of such people and when they start the only consequence will be that far less idiots will be willing to commit this crime thinking they can get away with it.

It is unfortunate that you take the good will and flexibility of RoC as a weekness. And then you have people like Bananiot thinking that gestures of goodwill from our part have any positive effect on you. Thank you for proving Bananiot wrong once again.

If you are not prepared to act on what you threaten then shut up as you have no right to claim you are right and we are wrong if you do not carry out what you think is right and take the consequences, you are all talk and no action.

[CopperLine]

Afghans Say Pakistan Shot Down an Airliner

Now that posting, Oracle, I do find funny.

So the desperate Google search comes up with a 1987 story of an Afghan plane, either described as military jet or a propellor plane (the AN-26 was most commonly used as a military transport incidentally), and which the report says no one really knows what went on. Needless to say there's no indication that (a) it was shot down for airspace violation (thereby not an example of Oracle's claim) and (b) no indication that the shooting down was done 'happily' (another Oracle invention).

Any actual examples of

other countries have happily shot down planes invading their air-space illegally

(which is what you actually claimed) ?

[Oracle]

Afghans Say Pakistan Shot Down an Airliner

Now that posting, Oracle, I do find funny.

So the desperate Google search comes up with a 1987 story of an Afghan plane, either described as military jet or a propellor plane (the AN-26 was most commonly used as a military transport incidentally), and which the report says no one really knows what went on. Needless to say there's no indication that (a) it was shot down for airspace violation (thereby not an example of Oracle's claim) and (b) no indication that the shooting down was done 'happily' (another Oracle invention).

Any actual examples of

other countries have happily shot down planes invading their air-space illegally

(which is what you actually claimed) ?

Do your own FURTHER searches if you have set time limits!

BTW The article says it was a Passenger aircraft unless you have some contradictory evidence (please do provide some for a change ) ... or are you just going to talk and lie, lie and talk until everyone switches off! .... I have proved my point for any rational Human being! ... Any chance of you ever providing any thing useful.

Still comforting people into a false sense of security to use illegal modes of travel