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[CBBB]

Why is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website only in English?

cause if you need to read something on it the chances are that you're probably a foreigner.

It doesn't seem to bother the Government with other things that are mainly used by foreigners only being publish in Greek!

I normally surf the Greek versions of the Government sites as the English versions are normally rather short on content in comparison.

[Piratis]

Free movement of EU citizens is not relevant with this issue.

Because I am an EU citizen and I can move freely in all other EU states this doesn't mean I can take a plane and land it wherever I feel like in some other EU country.

There are certain aviation rules that should be followed and these include the airports that a plane can land. The legal airports of each country are declared by the country itself and not by anybody else.

Did you really think that "free movement" of EU citizens also includes free movement of planes without any rules? Sorry to disappoint you, but just like when you are driving a car in a country you have to follow the laws regarding driving, in the same way (but way more strict) when you fly a plane into the airspace of another country you have to follow the rules of that country. You can't just fly and land wherever you feel like.

A good practical point ....

No its not! The occupied part of Cyprus is not under EU law and is therefore not deemed to be an EU country until the government regains its rightful control over it!

It is Cyprus territory. EU is irrelevant in this case* Here we are talking about the legal use of the Cyprus airspace and the legal airports where airplanes (regardless of where they come from) are allowed to land and take off. (and even this only after they take permission from the Cypriot authorities, not however they feel like)

* The north part of Cyprus is EU territory. Only the application of EU law is suspended. This doesn't mean it is not EU territory. When Cyprus entered the EU the whole island which is represented by the one and only state on the island, the Republic of Cyprus, entered the EU.

I agree Piratis but the question is regarding ports of entry into the EU and Tymbou is not a port of entry due to suspension of EU law in the north and non-designation of that airport as a legal port of entry.

DT. EU has nothing to do with this.

The airspace over the island belongs to the RoC.
The RoC decides which are the legal airports to enter Cyprus.

A plane moving in Cyprus airspace or landing somewhere in Cyprus without the prior approval of the relevant RoC authorities is acting illegally.

Even when an emergency landing is needed the plane, if possible, should consult with the relevant Cypriot authorizes before entering the Cyprus airspace or landing somewhere in Cyprus.

The argument that some people make is that EU citizens should have the right of free movement within EU countries. That is right. But the way that those EU citizens move should be according to the laws of each country.

When those EU citizens drive in Cyprus they should drive on the left side and follow the relevant laws. Similarly when they fly in Cyprus they should do so in accordance with the relevant laws and use the designated airports. "Free movement" doesn't mean movement any way you feel like. You still need to respect the laws and the rules.

[Oracle]

A plane moving in Cyprus airspace or landing somewhere in Cyprus without the prior approval of the relevant RoC authorities is acting illegally.

Can we legally shoot them down then?

[DT.]

Free movement of EU citizens is not relevant with this issue.

Because I am an EU citizen and I can move freely in all other EU states this doesn't mean I can take a plane and land it wherever I feel like in some other EU country.

There are certain aviation rules that should be followed and these include the airports that a plane can land. The legal airports of each country are declared by the country itself and not by anybody else.

Did you really think that "free movement" of EU citizens also includes free movement of planes without any rules? Sorry to disappoint you, but just like when you are driving a car in a country you have to follow the laws regarding driving, in the same way (but way more strict) when you fly a plane into the airspace of another country you have to follow the rules of that country. You can't just fly and land wherever you feel like.

A good practical point ....

No its not! The occupied part of Cyprus is not under EU law and is therefore not deemed to be an EU country until the government regains its rightful control over it!

It is Cyprus territory. EU is irrelevant in this case* Here we are talking about the legal use of the Cyprus airspace and the legal airports where airplanes (regardless of where they come from) are allowed to land and take off. (and even this only after they take permission from the Cypriot authorities, not however they feel like)

* The north part of Cyprus is EU territory. Only the application of EU law is suspended. This doesn't mean it is not EU territory. When Cyprus entered the EU the whole island which is represented by the one and only state on the island, the Republic of Cyprus, entered the EU.

I agree Piratis but the question is regarding ports of entry into the EU and Tymbou is not a port of entry due to suspension of EU law in the north and non-designation of that airport as a legal port of entry.

DT. EU has nothing to do with this.

The airspace over the island belongs to the RoC.
The RoC decides which are the legal airports to enter Cyprus.

A plane moving in Cyprus airspace or landing somewhere in Cyprus without the prior approval of the relevant RoC authorities is acting illegally.

Even when an emergency landing is needed the plane, if possible, should consult with the relevant Cypriot authorizes before entering the Cyprus airspace or landing somewhere in Cyprus.

The argument that some people make is that EU citizens should have the right of free movement within EU countries. That is right. But the way that those EU citizens move should be according to the laws of each country.

When those EU citizens drive in Cyprus they should drive on the left side and follow the relevant laws. Similarly when they fly in Cyprus they should do so in accordance with the relevant laws and use the designated airports. "Free movement" doesn't mean movement any way you feel like. You still need to respect the laws and the rules.

[CopperLine]

Niki,
I share your concern and questions regarding your nephew's travel plans. After all the arguments about 'legality/illegality', the practical experience of most travellers to the north is that it is safe and unproblematic. In practical terms the Republic of Cyprus immigration and border control authorities are fully aware that people are entering the island through the north, Ercan for example, and leaving through the south, or vice versa. 99 times out of 100 there is no problem, especially if the traveller is an EU citizen.

I'd recommend your nephew take the opportunity to travel north and south ina any combination of entry and exit as suits him. We live and learn.

[Oracle]

Isn't there some Law about inciting illegal behaviour?

[CopperLine]

A plane moving in Cyprus airspace or landing somewhere in Cyprus without the prior approval of the relevant RoC authorities is acting illegally.

Can we legally shoot them down then?

Is the twisted individual who posted the above about shooting down airliners the same sanctimonious person who posted this :

Isn't there some Law about inciting illegal behaviour?

[Niki]

Niki,
I share your concern and questions regarding your nephew's travel plans. After all the arguments about 'legality/illegality', the practical experience of most travellers to the north is that it is safe and unproblematic. In practical terms the Republic of Cyprus immigration and border control authorities are fully aware that people are entering the island through the north, Ercan for example, and leaving through the south, or vice versa. 99 times out of 100 there is no problem, especially if the traveller is an EU citizen.

I'd recommend your nephew take the opportunity to travel north and south ina any combination of entry and exit as suits him. We live and learn.

Thanks Copperline

He's a big boy so I think I'll leave it up to him. Blissful ignorance may be best in this case.

[CBBB]

I think we should advise the authorities that he is smuggling drugs and should have a cavity search!

[Viewpoint]

Why dont the "RoC" prosecute all these people crossing south everyday? Feel free to do so and see what the consequences will be, place these Brits in GC jails awaiting trial, if you've got the bottle go ahead and do it, put TCs in prison as well and see how the world reacts.