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Postby DT. » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:07 am

CBBB wrote:Following a PM requesting some back-up for my previous post, here is a relevant link:

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1

There are other references to this in the archives of the Cyprus Mail.



The key words are bigger
Though found guilty – he pleaded guilty to the charges – the court decided not to sentence 56-year-old Constantinou


However, it has always insisted it maintained the right to impose fines on those who did use illegal ports and airports


Basically just because someone didn't get fined doesn't mean everyone won't. This is still an offence and the next one might be Niki's nephew.
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Postby CBBB » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:11 am

Further quote:
“The code and the government’s stance on the matter clearly take the position that EU citizens, including Cypriot citizens, are not criminally prosecuted when entering and exiting the territory of the Republic from a non-approved port in violation of article 12(1)."


From the judge.
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Postby DT. » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:17 am

CBBB wrote:Further quote:
“The code and the government’s stance on the matter clearly take the position that EU citizens, including Cypriot citizens, are not criminally prosecuted when entering and exiting the territory of the Republic from a non-approved port in violation of article 12(1)."


From the judge.


The judge then went on to say

In relation to these offences, they enjoy immunity,”


This is still an offence and only requires one obscure judge in Chirokoitia to overturn what this one said.
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Postby CBBB » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:23 am

"EU says use of north ports not illegal"

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1
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Postby CBBB » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:26 am

But there again:

"Cyprus considers fines for entry through illegal ports"

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1
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Postby DT. » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:27 am

CBBB wrote:"EU says use of north ports not illegal"

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1


You mean Oli Rehn says that.
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Postby halil » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:40 am

every day 100's of EU citizans are passing without problem from the Lokmaci gate to South Cyprus from north .

They see south as well and return back without problem .

Last night i passed the boarder with my Slovanian friend and we spend few hours in ledra street and return back withouth problem .

first we came to TC's police control we filled up the visa forums than we walked directly to GC's controlled check point . He just passed directly by showing his passport .they only turned the pages and look through his face and he walked away . TC's have to wait for a while on the check point they have to check ID card from computer .
as a EU citizans he can pass quicker than me .

Niki , they will not have any problem .
Let the people enjoy they are trips and see the realties of the Cyprus with their own eyes . Let them the compare what is the real life in Cyprus .
People can learn lots of things by own expriencies not from the others what they are telling them .
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Postby Niki » Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:22 am

Piratis wrote:A criminal who commits a crime because he believes he can get away with it is still a criminal.

Would you steal something from a shop or a friend's house just because you believe you can get away with it? Maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't. It all depends on what kind of person you are.


I see your point and I really do sympathise but this change will happen even if people don't like it.

Of course the government should do something about the stolen land.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:49 am

CBBB the articles that you gave confirm that it is an offense, but one that you can get away with, which is what I said.

I see your point and I really do sympathise but this change will happen even if people don't like it.


What change will happen? The only thing that can change is for Cyprus to start penalizing those who commit such offenses.

People can learn lots of things by own expriencies not from the others what they are telling them.


Would you also suggest to them to steal and murder to learn from own experience about these kind of crimes?

People can come to Cyprus and visit the whole island in legal ways and that is what they should do, just like they would do when visiting any other country.

Taking advantage of the Turkish occupation of the north part of our country in such a way is both illegal and immoral.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:05 am

Piratis wrote:What change will happen? The only thing that can change is for Cyprus to start penalizing those who commit such offenses.


The problem is that EU law takes precedence over national law, so despite being an offence on the RoC statute book, penalisation is impossible for as long as the RoC remains an EU member. Apparently you can now enter the RoC with TRNC stamps in your passport - the authorities cannot use this to deny entry to an EU citizen.

I always believe in following all local laws and customs to the letter when living in another country. As a permanent resident of the RoC I thus refuse to travel to Turkey via Tymbou/Ercan airport or Kyrenia port, although I look forward to being able to do so if there is a settlement. Apparently a large number of RoC citizens break this rule, but that is another story. Quite frankly if I was a British traveller in the region and the cheapest way of getting from Turkey to the government-controlled part of the island was via the north, that's how I would go.
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