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[Oracle]

But Oracle, if the Cypriot consciousness is a Turkish ploy, then they did not do a very good job of it, Cypriots today have more reason to hate Turkey than mainland Greeks do. The PR machinery of Turkey fouled up big time in Cyprus after being so devilishly clever for decades?

The initial strategy was to isolate the Cypriots from "Greek" connections .... this the Turks have been attempting since (at least?) the 50's.

Step 2 would have been the Turkification.

I am not saying that all Cypriots have succumbed to anti-Greek brainwashing, in fact very few. Turkification we are still fighting against, but it is the natural progression after complete denunciation of "Greekness" since they are a powerful presence (occupation) on our Island.

[EPSILON]

But Oracle, if the Cypriot consciousness is a Turkish ploy, then they did not do a very good job of it, Cypriots today have more reason to hate Turkey than mainland Greeks do. The PR machinery of Turkey fouled up big time in Cyprus after being so devilishly clever for decades?

The initial strategy was to isolate the Cypriots from "Greek" connections .... this the Turks have been attempting since (at least?) the 50's.

Step 2 would have been the Turkification.

I am not saying that all Cypriots have succumbed to anti-Greek brainwashing, in fact very few. Turkification we are still fighting against, but it is the natural progression after complete denunciation of "Greekness" since they are a powerful presence (occupation) on our Island.

My friend, i regret to tell you that T/cs or Turks never tried to convist G/cs that they are not Greeks in relation to their Ethicity. This is something which organized by Greeks of Cyprus (it was an internal problem). It was what i call it, the second but equal betrayal.

[Oracle]

No EPSILON dear, I disagree with you on this one.

Sure, once the domino effect, Chinese whispers, call it what you will, was initiated by the Brits & Turks; then a number of brainwashed Cypriots continued to do their work for them.

If you go back to the early '50s when that plebiscite / poll was conducted by the Churches, there was such a strong, virtually unanimous support for Enosis with Greece that it is highly suggestive that Cypriots considered themselves as Greeks.

Scroll forward ten/fifteen years, and almost the opposite desire was prevalent, in parallel with the rise of the "True Cypriots".

I would just like to make clear that I disengage from the notion that if you consider yourself Greek ethnically, you instantly desire Enosis with Greece. This is part of the paranoia. My Greekness does not diminish what I consider to be the best outcome for Cyprus which is complete and utter independence, both then and even more so now, with our individual veto power in the EU.

[EPSILON]

No EPSILON dear, I disagree with you on this one.

Sure, once the domino effect, Chinese whispers, call it what you will, was initiated by the Brits & Turks; then a number of brainwashed Cypriots continued to do their work for them.

If you go back to the early '50s when that plebiscite / poll was conducted by the Churches, there was such a strong, virtually unanimous support for Enosis with Greece that it is highly suggestive that Cypriots considered themselves as Greeks.

Scroll forward ten/fifteen years, and almost the opposite desire was prevalent.

I would just like to make clear that I disengage from the notion that if you consider yourself Greek ethnically, you instantly desire Enosis with Greece. This is part of the paranoia. My Greekness does not diminish what I consider to be the best outcome for Cyprus which is complete and utter independence, both then and even more so now, with our individual veto power in the EU.

Part one- i still disagree.
Part two - I fully agree

Neither British or Turks of Cyprus or Turkey tried to convist G/cs that they are just Cypriots. Even you see the Zyrich treaty clearly states the two Ethnicities.
However the Majority of G/cs , as you said that time was trying to succeed union with Greece. This actually was affecting mainly the interests of USSR. Because USA, even Turkey, could survived with Cyprus to be a NATO member (with assurances abt T/cs and Turkey's interests). The only power which had clear interest Cyprus to not succeed union with Greece was USSR. And USSR used (CLEARLY AND I THINK AKEL CAN NOT DENY THIS) THE FUNDING OF AKEL to succeed the CYPRIONISM.

Iam not , of course supporter of Union of Cyprus with Greece but i am insisting that

aa-G/cs had the right in 50's to ask union and Cyprus problem crated because British used Turks to stop them.
bb-All G/cs are entitled to say that they are Greeks for the simple reason -THERE IS NOT -AND WILL NEVR BE- A CYPRUS ETHNICITY/
CC.Any G/c who is saying that is just Cypriot and not Greek is direct or indirect affected by USSR funds.

[EPSILON]

aa-G/cs had the right in 50's to ask union and Cyprus problem crated because British used Turks to stop them.
bb-All G/cs are entitled to say that they are Greeks for the simple reason -THERE IS NOT -AND WILL NEVR BE- A CYPRUS ETHNICITY/
CC.Any G/c who is saying that is just Cypriot and not Greek is direct or indirect affected by USSR funds.


Administrator: Sorry - but some things must be finally be public.
If AKEL was surviving because of USSR and if Makarios was leader of Akritas plan!!!Must be public someday. Beacuse is easy to say to people that there are certain persons guildy for Cyprus tragety but history is history.even someone tell us that T/cs AND G/cs are brothers and were participating in mutual fightings against occupators and other historical potatoes - history is only one.No one can change it. He can try but never succeed.

The loossers are usually named as trators.But in long term history always finds the true.

[observer]

Oracle said:

I am not saying that all Cypriots have succumbed to anti-Greek brainwashing, in fact very few. Turkification we are still fighting against, but it is the natural progression after complete denunciation of "Greekness" since they are a powerful presence (occupation) on our Island.

Do I understand you to mean that GCs have denounced Greekness? When? Every politician goes on about Hellenic brotherhood when a Greek politician visits, and the Greek flag is more common on private buildings than the RoC one. And the national anthem is .... .

Some may have put Cypriotness in advance of Greekness, but it's difficult to believe that it has been denounced by many