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Postby yialousa1971 » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:41 am

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Oracle wrote:Barack Obama, Condoleeza Rice, :roll: Colin Powell ...

The rise of the African in American Politics. 8)

More of the same or a hope for the Future?


all of the above are half black half white but people are stupid enough to assume that they are just negros. :x


Hhmm ... what do you mean by "just negroes" :?

In the States (and the UK), people of mixed parentage are generally "grouped" within the most dominant phenotype (in this case negroid features). So they would have had the (almost) same prejudices as most "pure" blooded African Americans.

Although I suspect in Obama's case, it helped that they made a big point of his "white" maternal line ......


Theres no such thing as a pure blooded African American/Afro Caribbean, they all have a percentage of white blood in them. So they are all mixed, mixing happened during their time working for the Anglo's when Mr Bull fancied a bit of you know what.
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Re: Black Power Rising in the USA! .....

Postby Oracle » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:55 am

yialousa1971 wrote:
Oracle wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Oracle wrote:Barack Obama, Condoleeza Rice, :roll: Colin Powell ...

The rise of the African in American Politics. 8)

More of the same or a hope for the Future?


all of the above are half black half white but people are stupid enough to assume that they are just negros. :x


Hhmm ... what do you mean by "just negroes" :?

In the States (and the UK), people of mixed parentage are generally "grouped" within the most dominant phenotype (in this case negroid features). So they would have had the (almost) same prejudices as most "pure" blooded African Americans.

Although I suspect in Obama's case, it helped that they made a big point of his "white" maternal line ......


Theres no such thing as a pure blooded African American/Afro Caribbean, they all have a percentage of white blood in them. So they are all mixed, mixing happened during their time working for the Anglo's when Mr Bull fancied a bit of you know what.


Partly why I put "white" and "pure" in quotes :wink: ..... but that is a sweeping generalisation you make. Any scientific data to verify such confidence?
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Re: Black Power Rising in the USA! .....

Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:03 am

Oracle wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote:
Oracle wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Oracle wrote:Barack Obama, Condoleeza Rice, :roll: Colin Powell ...

The rise of the African in American Politics. 8)

More of the same or a hope for the Future?


all of the above are half black half white but people are stupid enough to assume that they are just negros. :x


Hhmm ... what do you mean by "just negroes" :?

In the States (and the UK), people of mixed parentage are generally "grouped" within the most dominant phenotype (in this case negroid features). So they would have had the (almost) same prejudices as most "pure" blooded African Americans.

Although I suspect in Obama's case, it helped that they made a big point of his "white" maternal line ......


Theres no such thing as a pure blooded African American/Afro Caribbean, they all have a percentage of white blood in them. So they are all mixed, mixing happened during their time working for the Anglo's when Mr Bull fancied a bit of you know what.


Partly why I put "white" and "pure" in quotes :wink: ..... but that is a sweeping generalisation you make. Any scientific data to verify such confidence?


I have seen pure blooded Africans (Nigerians), no I haven't been to Africa but I've been to London Hackney etc. :shock: Actually I've seen every type of Black person you could think of and its quite clear that Afro Caribbeans are mixed. It's also a well known scientific fact and has been for years. Did you know the first slaves in America were White, they eventually mixed with the later Black slaves.

Examples :-

Colin Jackson

Colin's DNA test results were relatively surprising. His genetic make-up consists of 55% Sub-Saharan African - comparatively low for someone of Jamaican descent - and 38% European, which would appear to come from his mother's side. Yet there was also 7% 'native American', a term used to cover all indigenous people from the Americas, including the original inhabitants of Jamaica, the Taino.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/whodoyouthinkyouare/past-stories/colin-jackson.shtml

Ainsley Harriott

But he also encountered some extraordinary family details. He discovered how, in the time of slavery, one of his ancestors, an unmarried 'free black' woman, accumulated enough money to buy seven houses. His next discovery was even more surprising. Ainsley's great-great-grandfather, James Gordon Harriott, wasn't a black slave as he had thought, but the descendant of a long line of white slave owners.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/whodoyouthinkyouare/new-stories/ainsley-harriott/how-we-did-it_4.shtml

African Americans

It is well-known that African Americans have European admixture which varies a lot individually. Indeed, some African Americans are more European genetically than they are African. On the other hand, European Americans generally tend to have insignificant African admixture. This assymetry is due to the fact that individuals of partial African ancestry were reckoned to be "Black", no matter what the exact percentage of their African ancestry.

Now, a classifier that would distinguish between Whites and African Americans would have no trouble distinguishing between the two groups easily. But this classification would not need to be concordant with their admixture estimate:

A person of 25% African ancestry is extremely more likely to be (in the US) an African American than a White. And yet, the high classification probability that he is African American is discordant with their most important component, i.e., European.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/06/admixture-estimate-vs-population-of.html
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Re: Black Power Rising in the USA! .....

Postby Oracle » Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:07 pm

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This assymetry is due to the fact that individuals of partial African ancestry were reckoned to be "Black", no matter what the exact percentage of their African ancestry.


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This is the point I was making. Any signs of negroid ancestry and people have to face the prejudices that go with being "Black". Of course there may be a gradation of discrimination concomitant with levels of melanisation.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:09 am

World-wide changes are afoot thanks to the new Black President elect Obama ...

Times wrote:Tories vow to remove inter-racial taboo in adoption

Barriers that prevent white couples from adopting black children would be removed by David Cameron under reforms to stop ethnic minority children languishing in the care system.

Black and Asian children wait on average three times longer than white children for an adoptive family. Critics say too many adoption agencies are hung up on race, and waste time trying to find perfect matches for children of increasingly complex ethnicity.

The Conservatives have been examining the situation in the United States, where the law changed ten years ago to prevent adoption agencies from giving weight to race when finding adoptive families. Within two years of the change, one third of states said the wait for placements among ethnic minority children had dropped.

A more relaxed attitude towards inter-racial adoption, which is now almost unheard of in Britain, would give thousands of children a loving home that they are currently being denied, the Conservatives say.

The move comes as new figures show a decline in the number of children being adopted from the care system. This year only 2,600 children have been adopted, down from 3,600 in 2004.
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Postby Sophia1 » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:16 am

Fell well McDonalds lol ha ha ha :-)
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Re: Black Power Rising in the USA! .....

Postby kurupetos » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:08 am

Oracle wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote: ...

This assymetry is due to the fact that individuals of partial African ancestry were reckoned to be "Black", no matter what the exact percentage of their African ancestry.


...


This is the point I was making. Any signs of negroid ancestry and people have to face the prejudices that go with being "Black". Of course there may be a gradation of discrimination concomitant with levels of melanisation.


Oracle knock yourself out. :roll: I have some food for you. :wink: :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
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Re: Black Power Rising in the USA! .....

Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:28 am

kurupetos wrote:
Oracle wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote: ...

This assymetry is due to the fact that individuals of partial African ancestry were reckoned to be "Black", no matter what the exact percentage of their African ancestry.


...


This is the point I was making. Any signs of negroid ancestry and people have to face the prejudices that go with being "Black". Of course there may be a gradation of discrimination concomitant with levels of melanisation.


Oracle knock yourself out. :roll: I have some food for you. :wink: :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule


Shockimg! :shock: Reminders of Ku Klux Klan and the worst of the US!

Thank goodness we have Genetic Fingerprinting now which is breaking down these pre-conceived notions and showing how similar our DNA is irrespective of skin colour / eye colour :roll:
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Re: Black Power Rising in the USA! .....

Postby yialousa1971 » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:51 am

Oracle wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Oracle wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote: ...

This assymetry is due to the fact that individuals of partial African ancestry were reckoned to be "Black", no matter what the exact percentage of their African ancestry.


...


This is the point I was making. Any signs of negroid ancestry and people have to face the prejudices that go with being "Black". Of course there may be a gradation of discrimination concomitant with levels of melanisation.


Oracle knock yourself out. :roll: I have some food for you. :wink: :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule


Shockimg! :shock: Reminders of Ku Klux Klan and the worst of the US!

Thank goodness we have Genetic Fingerprinting now which is breaking down these pre-conceived notions and showing how similar our DNA is irrespective of skin colour / eye colour :roll:


So you don't believe in race then? :?:
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Re: Black Power Rising in the USA! .....

Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:50 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:
Oracle wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Oracle wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote: ...

This assymetry is due to the fact that individuals of partial African ancestry were reckoned to be "Black", no matter what the exact percentage of their African ancestry.


...


This is the point I was making. Any signs of negroid ancestry and people have to face the prejudices that go with being "Black". Of course there may be a gradation of discrimination concomitant with levels of melanisation.


Oracle knock yourself out. :roll: I have some food for you. :wink: :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule


Shockimg! :shock: Reminders of Ku Klux Klan and the worst of the US!

Thank goodness we have Genetic Fingerprinting now which is breaking down these pre-conceived notions and showing how similar our DNA is irrespective of skin colour / eye colour :roll:


So you don't believe in race then? :?:


Scientifically there is no basis to divide people into races. So there is only one Human Race. The DNA differences between any two individuals in any sample can be more different than any perceived differences between classically assigned racial groups. So they do not exist, genetically.

The simple way to see how that works is if you look at a brother and sister. There's your biggest difference in DNA right away ... the sex chromosomes.

That aside, it's relatively common for siblings to have different colour eyes, hair, inheritance of genes for diabetes, cancer etc. These are due to DNA differences ... but would you say they should be put into different races just because one had blue eyes, brown hair and the other, brown eyes and blond hair?

These phenotypic differences were used in the past to set up races but they do not stand up to validation with statistically significant DNA sequence analysis.
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