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[Nikitas]

"On the contrary, Turkey is Israel, multiplied by a factor of 15. "

Turkey is NOTHING of the kind. You have built up an image of Turkey in your head which does not correspond to reality. Their industrial might is based on reverse engineering of doubtful quality, and to this please cede some specialist knowledge so I do not resort to boring technical proof.

In the defence arsenal of Turkey there is nothing original of Turkish engineering. On this point they are behind Greece, let alone Israel.

[Nikitas]

Miltiades,

You assume that every time the matter of defence comes up that it automatically means someone is planning to attack the occupying army. There is the other, more probable, alternative, that the occupying army initiates the attack. Then what?

Already the chief of the Turkish navy said that they will patrol in the south of Cyprus, the legtitimate continental shelf of the RoC, to prevent foreign companies who bought exploration rights from exercising them.

When they do that, what do you suggest the RoC should do? Increase or decrease its defence capabilities? Do you think the chief of their navy would be so free with this threats if we could but a cruise missile through his smoke stacks?

National territory is more than just our oikopeda, and to be taken seriously as a nation we must be able to defend ALL of our territory, land, sea and air.

Sure the adversary is powerful, but we are not as weak as some poeple think. If we can manage to have a superior telecommunications system to theirs, and that is a significant area of defence, then we can surpass them in other areas too.

And finally, negotiation is useless if the guiding factor for one side is blind fear. If we fear them then we might as well give up now and accept all their demands.

[CopperLine]

Does this [lasers] make airforces obsolete ? Maybe. But to avoid the battle of the armchair generals whose advisors are the pornographers' of military hardware (corrrr have you seen the size of those missiles/guns/bullets/planes* delete as applicable), maybe the answer to the question is ..... hospitals, schools, libraries, sports' centres, bird reserves, clean beaches.

If you want to make any arm of the military obsolete remove the reasons - usually a sense of insecurity - for the use of military force.

[Bananiot]

Hold your horse GR, I was not asking you to come to my defence. I made a special reference to DT who said:

Again you're quick with the fascist labels Bananiot. You need to learn to make your point without having to resort to calling anyone a fascist that disagrees with your beliefs. You need to show a little more maturity in your debate.

Hence I told him that he should not be biased if he wants to be taken seriously. When I get the stick by the pavement patriots, DT keeps quite but he does not allow me to have a go at the fascists. This isn't cricket, is it?

And GR, you are a hero having cuptured two Turks, no need to be shy, only I said this about George in an attempt to make mockery of a ridiculous situation that exists and allows boys like you and Paphitis to talk big about something they hardly understand.

[Nikitas]

Copperline said:

"If you want to make any arm of the military obsolete remove the reasons - usually a sense of insecurity - for the use of military force."

Which is how Greece tried to tackle the problem of unilateral Turkish claims on clearly Greek territory (ie the island of Gavdos south of Crete) and it backfired. In the end the Greeks will spend a lot more on arms, as a result of their miscalculation. Turkey is not proeceeding on the basis of any insecurity, but on plans of how the generasl want the area to be divided.

[miltiades]

Anyone who believes that Cyprus can resolve its problem by war is in serious need of a refreshment course in logics !!
Here we are a nation of less than 1 million with no airforce ( forget the Greeks they have no stomach for a war with Turkey ) wanting to take on not only Turkey but its allies , mainly Israel .
The Paphitis nonsense is just that Pafitikes pellares and coming from some one who was not even born in Cyprus to suggest such action without caring what catastrophy might engulf our nation , is pure lunacy.
I suggest he rejoins the Australian RAF and go do his fighting in Afghanistan .Stay out of Cyprus mate we dont need you starting a bloody war.

Turkey does not have the stomach to fight Greece.

Having an adequate defence is a good Deterrance to further bloodshed.

Cyprus is not going to solve her problem by negotiating with the Turks our Human and democratic rights.

Get it right dimwit, it is RAAF not Australian RAF. Wanker!

We are an independant country who happens to take our defence very seriously. We spend Billions on state of art weapons and can give anyone a bloody good run, including Turkey. And yet we are only 50,000, less than the CNG when it is fully mobilised.

In fact the TAF is no match for the RAAF!

One final warning , you continue to abuse me and I'm not prepared to take it from you . I have PMed Admin and shall do so again, you either attack my views or you refrain from throwing abuse. Have I made my self clear ?

The pot calling the kettle black.

Peshevengi.

You have trolled all my posts for a while now trying to provoke me.

I have already received a warning, and I do comply with his advice. But you have now taken this a step too far. And I feel it is you that needs to take a break and reassess your disgusting behavior. IDIOT!!

PM Admin all you like you cheeky bastard.

I'm again showing exemplary restrain and do not result in being abusive to you as much as I now clearly despise everything that you stand for.
You can not carry one abusing me with impunity , I now request Admin to take the necessary action and not allow this behaviour to continue.

[miltiades]

Miltiades,

You assume that every time the matter of defence comes up that it automatically means someone is planning to attack the occupying army. There is the other, more probable, alternative, that the occupying army initiates the attack. Then what?

Already the chief of the Turkish navy said that they will patrol in the south of Cyprus, the legtitimate continental shelf of the RoC, to prevent foreign companies who bought exploration rights from exercising them.

When they do that, what do you suggest the RoC should do? Increase or decrease its defence capabilities? Do you think the chief of their navy would be so free with this threats if we could but a cruise missile through his smoke stacks?

National territory is more than just our oikopeda, and to be taken seriously as a nation we must be able to defend ALL of our territory, land, sea and air.

Sure the adversary is powerful, but we are not as weak as some poeple think. If we can manage to have a superior telecommunications system to theirs, and that is a significant area of defence, then we can surpass them in other areas too.

And finally, negotiation is useless if the guiding factor for one side is blind fear. If we fear them then we might as well give up now and accept all their demands.

Nikitas , you of all people should know that I have never advocated surrender to Turkey neither have I ever stated that our defences should be reduced , abandoned or remain at their present levels of strength .
I'm not a pacifist and I have made this abundantly clear on a number of occasions. What I do strongly oppose is the circulation on this forum of grossly ridiculous assumptions that we can take military action against Turkey in order to liberate our lands , get rid of the settlers , deal with the T/Cs and sustain our nation which will no doubt sustain heavy loses.
It is one thing to be on the defensive and another to be on the aggressive.
We are at our most advantageous political levels than we have ever been in the last 34 years . To suggest that we abandon the political wars and concentrate utterly on the military options is pure lunacy.
May we also take into account the 160 or so thousand of Turkish settlers , the 80 thousand Turkish Cypriots and of course the 40 or so thousand of troops , how do we get them on our .....side !!
Preposterous to say the least.
I will defend our right to use what ever force is required to protect the ROC but will never ever agree with war mongers such as those that are comfortably thousands of miles away playing the part of armchair generals.

[Get Real!]

"On the contrary, Turkey is Israel, multiplied by a factor of 15. "

Turkey is NOTHING of the kind. You have built up an image of Turkey in your head which does not correspond to reality.

I have to agree with this... who said that anyway?

[Get Real!]

What I do strongly oppose is the circulation on this forum of grossly ridiculous assumptions that we can take military action against Turkey in order to liberate our lands

And that's EXACTLY what makes you so pathetic! Even my tiny little wife has more backbone that you!

[miltiades]

What I do strongly oppose is the circulation on this forum of grossly ridiculous assumptions that we can take military action against Turkey in order to liberate our lands

And that's EXACTLY what makes you so pathetic! Even my tiny little wife has more backbone that you!

Boy , you are losing again I'm afraid , you have made an accusation , prove it boy or shut up.
You earlier stated that neither Bananiot nor I saw national service , how on earth do you know that or is it another assumption of GR ?
As far as backbone is concerned I have more in my tiny... little finger than you have in your entire body !!