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[miltiades]

Take the foreign invaders out of our lands our people would prosper in a democratic land , remove the wrongly perceived motherlands and our people would begin a new and prosperous conflict free future .

What divides our people is not religion neither is colour , but a cancer that is persistent but most certainly curable .Those of us G/Cs who have , by the nature of circumstances surrounding us , met and interacted in personal as well as business modes with our T/C compatriots have come to realise how similar we are , how decent family orientated folks we all are and above all how we all are an integral part of this island.

I find it unbelievable but true nevertheless that there are people amongst us who are ready to commit the same mistakes that both sides committed in the past , mistakes that have led us to our present predicament.
I have said before many times that I have met and interacted with hundreds of T/Cs mainly as a a result of my business , during all these years I have never met anyone that I could point a finger at and call my enemy.
I stretched out and offered my hand to them and they reciprocated. I'm not a man that minces his words. I stand by a united Cyprus , I loath the prospects of our island becoming permanently divided and I detest the fact that a foreign nation has some 40 thousand occupying troops on our lands. Remember who gave them the green light. Let us continue supporting the current negotiating efforts to reach a solution based on realities , human rights and democratic principles.

[bill cobbett]

Take the foreign invaders out of our lands our people would prosper in a democratic land , remove the wrongly perceived motherlands and our people would begin a new and prosperous conflict free future .

What divides our people is not religion neither is colour , but a cancer that is persistent but most certainly curable .Those of us G/Cs who have , by the nature of circumstances surrounding us , met and interacted in personal as well as business modes with our T/C compatriots have come to realise how similar we are , how decent family orientated folks we all are and above all how we all are an integral part of this island.

I find it unbelievable but true nevertheless that there are people amongst us who are ready to commit the same mistakes that both sides committed in the past , mistakes that have led us to our present predicament.
I have said before many times that I have met and interacted with hundreds of T/Cs mainly as a a result of my business , during all these years I have never met anyone that I could point a finger at and call my enemy.
I stretched out and offered my hand to them and they reciprocated. I'm not a man that minces his words. I stand by a united Cyprus , I loath the prospects of our island becoming permanently divided and I detest the fact that a foreign nation has some 40 thousand occupying troops on our lands. Remember who gave them the green light. Let us continue supporting the current negotiating efforts to reach a solution based on realities , human rights and democratic principles.

Hi M. I wonder whether you'd be good enough to explain to the plonkers amongst us, including me I fear, how such noble, inalienable matters as "human rights" and "democratic principles" are negotiable? (For I have always thought they stood on their own nonnegotiable, uncompromisable merits.)

[miltiades]

Take the foreign invaders out of our lands our people would prosper in a democratic land , remove the wrongly perceived motherlands and our people would begin a new and prosperous conflict free future .

What divides our people is not religion neither is colour , but a cancer that is persistent but most certainly curable .Those of us G/Cs who have , by the nature of circumstances surrounding us , met and interacted in personal as well as business modes with our T/C compatriots have come to realise how similar we are , how decent family orientated folks we all are and above all how we all are an integral part of this island.

I find it unbelievable but true nevertheless that there are people amongst us who are ready to commit the same mistakes that both sides committed in the past , mistakes that have led us to our present predicament.
I have said before many times that I have met and interacted with hundreds of T/Cs mainly as a a result of my business , during all these years I have never met anyone that I could point a finger at and call my enemy.
I stretched out and offered my hand to them and they reciprocated. I'm not a man that minces his words. I stand by a united Cyprus , I loath the prospects of our island becoming permanently divided and I detest the fact that a foreign nation has some 40 thousand occupying troops on our lands. Remember who gave them the green light. Let us continue supporting the current negotiating efforts to reach a solution based on realities , human rights and democratic principles.

Hi M. I wonder whether you'd be good enough to explain to the plonkers amongst us, including me I fear, how such noble, inalienable matters as "human rights" and "democratic principles" are negotiable? (For I have always thought they stood on their own nonnegotiable, uncompromisable merits.)

Human rights and democratic principles can NEVER be compromised , concessions obtained under duress are unworkable and eventually collapse.
Democracy and freedom were what the last two world wars were about.
Negotiations that are exclusive of these profound principles are doomed to fail.
Compromises that are based on the rule of force and subjugation of one side by the other are not sustainable . Remembering that one man standing on his own has as much democratic and human rights as one man standing with a crowd . The RoC will continue negotiations based on the most profoundly sacred principles , remembering of course that interpretations concerning human rights can on occasions be wide open for challenge by one or the other side.
ps. I have never called you a Plonker !!!

[Oracle]

Take the foreign invaders out of our lands our people would prosper in a democratic land , remove the wrongly perceived motherlands and our people would begin a new and prosperous conflict free future .

What divides our people is not religion neither is colour , but a cancer that is persistent but most certainly curable .Those of us G/Cs who have , by the nature of circumstances surrounding us , met and interacted in personal as well as business modes with our T/C compatriots have come to realise how similar we are , how decent family orientated folks we all are and above all how we all are an integral part of this island.

I find it unbelievable but true nevertheless that there are people amongst us who are ready to commit the same mistakes that both sides committed in the past , mistakes that have led us to our present predicament.
I have said before many times that I have met and interacted with hundreds of T/Cs mainly as a a result of my business , during all these years I have never met anyone that I could point a finger at and call my enemy.
I stretched out and offered my hand to them and they reciprocated. I'm not a man that minces his words. I stand by a united Cyprus , I loath the prospects of our island becoming permanently divided and I detest the fact that a foreign nation has some 40 thousand occupying troops on our lands. Remember who gave them the green light. Let us continue supporting the current negotiating efforts to reach a solution based on realities , human rights and democratic principles.

Comparing TCs you meet in day to day business, in the UK, with the politics of Cyprus, is the reason you fail to grasp the Cyprus Problem.

[miltiades]

Take the foreign invaders out of our lands our people would prosper in a democratic land , remove the wrongly perceived motherlands and our people would begin a new and prosperous conflict free future .

What divides our people is not religion neither is colour , but a cancer that is persistent but most certainly curable .Those of us G/Cs who have , by the nature of circumstances surrounding us , met and interacted in personal as well as business modes with our T/C compatriots have come to realise how similar we are , how decent family orientated folks we all are and above all how we all are an integral part of this island.

I find it unbelievable but true nevertheless that there are people amongst us who are ready to commit the same mistakes that both sides committed in the past , mistakes that have led us to our present predicament.
I have said before many times that I have met and interacted with hundreds of T/Cs mainly as a a result of my business , during all these years I have never met anyone that I could point a finger at and call my enemy.
I stretched out and offered my hand to them and they reciprocated. I'm not a man that minces his words. I stand by a united Cyprus , I loath the prospects of our island becoming permanently divided and I detest the fact that a foreign nation has some 40 thousand occupying troops on our lands. Remember who gave them the green light. Let us continue supporting the current negotiating efforts to reach a solution based on realities , human rights and democratic principles.

Hi M. I wonder whether you'd be good enough to explain to the plonkers amongst us, including me I fear, how such noble, inalienable matters as "human rights" and "democratic principles" are negotiable? (For I have always thought they stood on their own nonnegotiable, uncompromisable merits.)

Human rights and democratic principles can NEVER be compromised , concessions obtained under duress are unworkable and eventually collapse.
Democracy and freedom were what the last two world wars were about.
Negotiations that are exclusive of these profound principles are doomed to fail.
Compromises that are based on the rule of force and subjugation of one side by the other are not sustainable . Remembering that one man standing on his own has as much democratic and human rights as one man standing with a crowd . The RoC will continue negotiations based on the most profoundly sacred principles , remembering of course that interpretations concerning human rights can on occasions be wide open for challenge by one or the other side.
ps. I have never called you a Plonker !!!

O , my grasp of the Cyprus problem is crystal clear. The Cypriots , both sides , or the vast majority I ought to say , are infected by the dreaded decease of motherland "pellares " and devout of any sense to see that Cyprus is neither Greek nor Turkish , flags of these two foreign nations are in abundance , I ought to say more the guilty here are the T/Cs by putting up with the monstrocities on the Cyprus mountains.
There is not enough promotion of our unique ethnicity , Yes ethnicity , that of the Cypriot.
Turkey will never be forced to withdraw even one soldier from the occupied lands , the T/Cs will demand that she does so when we the G/Cs make amends and declare our nation to be theirs too , when the Miltiades's multiply and the Oracles decline.
Only acceptance of the fact that the Turkish Cypriots are as much a part of Cyprus as the Greek Cypriots are will instill the required confidence into the T/Cs to demand Turkish troop withdrawal . The T/Cs , thorough their mouthpiece , Turkey , is making totally unreasonable demands , one is the retention by Turkey of the guarantor status , well it will never be accepted , this they have to realize.
Settlers is another thorn , numerical equality will never be achieved for as long as they paint themselves with the Turkish brush as against the Cypriot one , political equality definitely is desirable and absolutely vital.
Yes O I know exactly what goes on in Cyprus and I have eyes and ears to record events and a brain to analyse the effects.

[bill cobbett]

Take the foreign invaders out of our lands our people would prosper in a democratic land , remove the wrongly perceived motherlands and our people would begin a new and prosperous conflict free future .

What divides our people is not religion neither is colour , but a cancer that is persistent but most certainly curable .Those of us G/Cs who have , by the nature of circumstances surrounding us , met and interacted in personal as well as business modes with our T/C compatriots have come to realise how similar we are , how decent family orientated folks we all are and above all how we all are an integral part of this island.

I find it unbelievable but true nevertheless that there are people amongst us who are ready to commit the same mistakes that both sides committed in the past , mistakes that have led us to our present predicament.
I have said before many times that I have met and interacted with hundreds of T/Cs mainly as a a result of my business , during all these years I have never met anyone that I could point a finger at and call my enemy.
I stretched out and offered my hand to them and they reciprocated. I'm not a man that minces his words. I stand by a united Cyprus , I loath the prospects of our island becoming permanently divided and I detest the fact that a foreign nation has some 40 thousand occupying troops on our lands. Remember who gave them the green light. Let us continue supporting the current negotiating efforts to reach a solution based on realities , human rights and democratic principles.

Hi M. I wonder whether you'd be good enough to explain to the plonkers amongst us, including me I fear, how such noble, inalienable matters as "human rights" and "democratic principles" are negotiable? (For I have always thought they stood on their own nonnegotiable, uncompromisable merits.)

Human rights and democratic principles can NEVER be compromised , concessions obtained under duress are unworkable and eventually collapse.
Democracy and freedom were what the last two world wars were about.
Negotiations that are exclusive of these profound principles are doomed to fail.
Compromises that are based on the rule of force and subjugation of one side by the other are not sustainable . Remembering that one man standing on his own has as much democratic and human rights as one man standing with a crowd . The RoC will continue negotiations based on the most profoundly sacred principles , remembering of course that interpretations concerning human rights can on occasions be wide open for challenge by one or the other side.
ps. I have never called you a Plonker !!!

Thanks M. A worry remains on what you refer to as "interpretations". Basic human rights by which we usually mean in the CY context such things as property rights, minority rights, voting rights etc are pretty basic, very easy to understand matters. I can't see where there is room for interpretation and hence negotiation but I fear that some of our northern brothers don't understand this and do feel they have room to bargain in these matters hence the Spokesperson for our Northern Community and for the Settlers Talat asking in Europe a few weeks ago for abrogation from the EU's usual standards in these rights matters.

(Yes. You haven't ever called me a plonker. Thanks )

[Get Real!]

Comparing TCs you meet in day to day business, in the UK, with the politics of Cyprus, is the reason you fail to grasp the Cyprus Problem.

Good point. Miltiades forever confuses the few TCs he may have met and liked with the underlying “ulterior” motive of the “TRNC” (in essence comprised of the bulk of the Ottoman remnants).

The truth is that what the bulk of the Ottoman remnants are up to is treason of the highest order and under normal circumstances would call for immediate military action.

I for one, have no respect for the Ottoman remnants whom I MUST evaluate as a WHOLE and NOT on an individual basis. What matters is their GOAL or DIRECTION as a GROUP and not whether or not an individual called “Mehmet” or “Ali” happens to be a nice guy.

People like Miltiades cannot see the greater picture from high above to comprehend the geopolitical wars taking place and how they can make or break a people including his own, as he is too fixated on minute and insignificant personal experiences.

[Get Real!]

Take good note:

The Ottoman remnants are trying to RE-INVENT themselves on Cyprus at the indigenous people’s expense and that’s why they MUST be stopped at all costs.

They have made it VERY CLEAR verbally and through all their actions that they are NOT Cypriot but Ottomans and I for one need no more convincing.

Let those Turkish Cypriots who swear allegiance to Cyprus come forth and join the remaining Cypriots in the unoccupied territory and let this union of Cypriots go forth and crash the emerging Ottoman remnants into oblivion once and for all.

[miltiades]

Take good note:

The Ottoman remnants are trying to RE-INVENT themselves on Cyprus at the indigenous people’s expense and that’s why they MUST be stopped at all costs.

They have made it VERY CLEAR verbally and through all their actions that they are NOT Cypriot but Ottomans and I for one need no more convincing.

Let those Turkish Cypriots who swear allegiance to Cyprus come forth and join the remaining Cypriots in the unoccupied territory and let this union of Cypriots go forth and crash the emerging Ottoman remnants into oblivion once and for all.

I do not think for one second that Bir , Kikapu , Ahmed , Verukel (right spelling?) or indeed thousands upon thousands of T/Cs see themselves as anything but T/Cs , Most certainly NOT remnants .
Such nonconstructive characterizations for people whose love of Cyprus as their own nation has for years been denied to , by being told that they are only mere remnants not a part of our nation but remnants of a past dynasty. Is it surprising that many see Turkey as their motherland ??
Shout out to them as I do , that this land of Cyprus is theirs just as much as it is ours , but it is not Turkish land anymore than it is Greek land.

[bill cobbett]

There is only one reality on the ground in the Occupied North that we should recognise. That is the native community that have been on the Island for hundreds of years. If we believe in the rule of law, we must also recognise their individual rights under the same laws.

It is however to be regreted that at every turn they turn to the might of the motherland to cut a better deal. We will only find peace when this virtual blackmail stops.