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[Nikitas]

Relax VP,

Greece just went through its tenure at the security council. Nothing good and nothing bad came of it. It is a routine matter which most nations will go through at some point. It has no substantial meaning.

[Viewpoint]

Relax VP,

Greece just went through its tenure at the security council. Nothing good and nothing bad came of it. It is a routine matter which most nations will go through at some point. It has no substantial meaning.

You GCs seem more excited than the Turks, what are you worried about?

[Bananiot]

Care to look at the reactions here and in Greece when our "motherland" became a temporary member of the Security Council?

[miltiades]

I think Cyprus has very good prospects of becoming a TMSC , I wonder which flag would represent us all

It is high time that we embrace our real motherland the one and only land of our birth and that of the birth of our ancestors and of our children and grandchildren. We should all be proud of our unique place in Cyprus , G/Cs , T/Cs equal under the eyes of the law , along with all the other Cypriots.
Yes it is indeed time for Cypriots to unite and begin to call the shots .

[Bananiot]

Kifeas, I am sorry to say that you are talking about things you do not understand, probably because of your narrow mindedness that will not allow you to move out of the circle in which you have placed yourself in.

"To dikaio tis pigmis", loosely translated as "the justice of the strong" is a an ancient notion as a political philosophy or even a theory on morality. Socrates could not accept that happiness is fed and secured on shear strength and ability to use it, even forcefully. Plato, through his student Kalliklis, argued that it is natural for justice to be on the side of the best (physical strength, that is) and this is how justice has been interpreted, for the best to stand above the worst and to have more than him.

What about the Athenians in their dialogue with the Milesians? We know, they told them, as well as you know, that justice is set by equals and that whatever is feasible is performed by the strong and the weak simply accept it.

Kalliklis asked (24 centuries before Nietzsche!) in amazement: How come old and new laws condemn the greed of the strong against the weak? He answered himself: It is not difficult to explain this paradox. The laws are written by the weak and the masses in an effort to scare the strong into not venturing too far with their greed that is fed by their strength.

Thus, "justice of the strong" has pure Greek roots (before rejoicing, Pantheman, remember, you are not a Greek but a barbarian that has learned Greek) and this kind of justice has triumphed in the theoretical field and more importantly it triumphed in practice after the Greek era and more significantly, it triumphed for many centuries before the Greeks. The humanists (not the Australian one) tried to give it a different content but then Darwin came along and told us about the struggle for survival where man, as well as all living organisms are forced to struggle in order to survive. Man struggles not only against beast but against his fellow humans. In this struggle only the fittest survives and the weak simply perish in order for natural selection to do its job and give organisms that are better adopted to survive.

Supporters of the "justice of the strong" remind us that we should not, therefore, cry "unfair" when we finally come to terms with the idea that in the animal kingdom there is an all out war of all against all. The "dark" Ephesian philosopher has put it very neatly "War, mother of everything, the bad and the good".

I particularly like the way Papanoutsos ends his essay. Whole people, Papanoutsos says, are in danger of extinction, not because of the beast but because they have not discovered the political art that will unite them in one ecumenical city (ecumenopolis) where all people will live in harmony and solve their differences by debate and not by "the justice of the strong".

Eventually we will get there, in a few tens or hundreds of centuries, which is not a long time to wait) and then the people of those times will laugh at us, because despite of all our acuteness we never realised that the mind is stronger than the fist.

In the meantime, some of us will ignorantly, stubbornly and blindly pick fights with the neighbours (good thing the Maltese are far away, we would have beaten the hell out of them since they are fewer and have no big brother to protect them) and then go to the supreme judges (having lost out) to cry our hearts out because this time round we lost out.

[waldorf]

I think Cyprus has very good prospects of becoming a TMSC , I wonder which flag would represent us all

It is high time that we embrace our real motherland the one and only land of our birth and that of the birth of our ancestors and of our children and grandchildren. We should all be proud of our unique place in Cyprus , G/Cs , T/Cs equal under the eyes of the law , along with all the other Cypriots.
Yes it is indeed time for Cypriots to unite and begin to call the shots .

As a colonial left over Brit, BORN in Cyprus, and lived here for nigh on 59 years, I HAVE to agree with you.

[halil]

TRNC FOREIGN MINISTER TURGAY AVCI CONGRATULATES TURKEY ON UN SECURITY COUNCIL SUCCESS

Leader of the Freedom and Reform Party Foreign Minister Turgay Avci, has issued a message congratulating Turkey for becoming a non-permanent member of the United Nations (UN) Security Council.

Avci said Turkey becoming a non permanent member of the UN Security Council will increase its prestige in the international arena and give strength to the Turkish Cypriot people.
He also expressed the belief that Turkey’s support will play a vital role in overcoming the deadlock in the negotiations process that is taking place between north and south Cyprus.

‘The Turkish Cypriot people are an inseparable part of the Turkish Nation and we are very proud with motherland Turkey for winning the support and trust of the international community’, he added.

Turkey won two-thirds of the votes, equal to 151 votes, in the voting, and secured a non-permanent seat at the UN Security Council in the Western European and Other Groups.

Thus, Turkey will be a non-permanent member of the council for the term 2009-2010.

Austria was the second country to become a non-permanent member of the council from the same group, winning 132 votes.

Iceland only received 128 votes, failing to secure a seat.

Turkey will start serving as a non-permanent member of the Security Council as of January 1, 2009.

Turkey had declared its candidacy for a non-permanent seat on July 21st, 2003.
PRIME MINISTER FERDI SABIT SOYER CONGRATULATED TURKEY FOR BECOMING A NON PERMANENT MEMBER OF UN SECURITY COUNCIL
Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer has congratulated Turkey for its success at becoming a non permanent member of the United Nations Security Council.

Prime Minister Soyer also expressed the belief that Turkey’s non permanent membership will have a positive affect in the solution of the Cyprus negotiations process.
Prime Minister Soyer called his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan and congratulated him for Turkey’s success on becoming a non permanent member of the UN Security Council.

During the telephone conversation Mr. Soyer said that he exchanged views regarding the Cyprus issue with Mr. Erdogan and once again received Turkey’s guarantee that it will work together with North Cyprus to try and find a comprehensive solution to the Cyprus problem.

[pantheman]

Yes well done Turkey, such hypocricy should be entered in the Guiness book of records.

You managed to join and organisation whos values are based upon up holding the rule of law, democratic rights and human rights, but you do none and have no intention of doing any.

Just goes to show how shit the UN actually FFS.

What a disgrace to humanity.

[CopperLine]

managed to join and organisation whos values are based upon up holding the rule of law, democratic rights and human rights, but you do none and have no intention of doing any.

Pantheman,
You're 63 years too late. Turkey was a founding member of the UN. It has not just joined the UN as you implied. All that has happened is that it has been elected by other member states of the UN to a non-permanent, fixed-term seat on the UN Security Council. This time it was elected alongside Austria, Japan, Mexico, Turkey and Uganda. Turkey has been elected to the UNSC on three previous occasions (1951, 1954, 1961).


That USA, Russia, UK, China and France - the biggest killers in the world - are permanent members of the UNSC is much stronger evidence of the UNSC being a disgrace to humanity. Many of the UN agencies on the other hand do invaluable work and can be seen as a hope of humanity, such as WFP, WHO ....

[pantheman]

managed to join and organisation whos values are based upon up holding the rule of law, democratic rights and human rights, but you do none and have no intention of doing any.

Pantheman,
You're 63 years too late. Turkey was a founding member of the UN. It has not just joined the UN as you implied. All that has happened is that it has been elected by other member states of the UN to a non-permanent, fixed-term seat on the UN Security Council. This time it was elected alongside Austria, Japan, Mexico, Turkey and Uganda. Turkey has been elected to the UNSC on three previous occasions (1951, 1954, 1961).


That USA, Russia, UK, China and France - the biggest killers in the world - are permanent members of the UNSC is much stronger evidence of the UNSC being a disgrace to humanity. Many of the UN agencies on the other hand do invaluable work and can be seen as a hope of humanity, such as WFP, WHO ....

Hello Copper and welcome back.

I thought that might bring you out of your slumber, basically you have just confirmed what I have just said, given thet Turkey was founding member, she should have known better so that makes her even more of a shit then.

Nice to see you back anyhow.