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You put me in danger because you want to force my community to live in a Gc state run by GCs

What I want is an independent democratic state run by Cypriots. If because most Cypriots are GCs this means Cyprus will be run mostly by GCs, then I should remind you that we have never forced you to live in Cyprus. On the contrary it is you who came to our island with the aim to enslave and exploit us. We tried to force absolutely nothing on you. All we want is democracy and freedom for our island.

You return to the past when it suits you we are just as much indigenous to this island as you are so get over it, the fact that we cannot trust each other is the major problem, I trust Bananiot and if all GCs thought like him I would trust him with my future in a unitary state but unfortunately they are more like you so safeguards are vital to any new agreements that will guarantee our effective contribution to running of a united Cyprus.

who still seek revenge for the past, this is clear has you still hold me accountable for what happened 450 years let alone 40 years ago

I talk about your responsibilities of the past in the same way you talk about ours. Are you saying that you have the right to blame us for events of the past but I have no right to do the same? Double standards?

You got your asses whipped on every occassion of course you have a revenge seeking mentality thats why we have to be protected against. If this is not the case and nothing happens then those safeguards will become redundent.

As far as revenge goes, I never asked from you to be punished in any way, although you have caused and continue to cause massive harm to us. On the contrary it is you who keeps trying to find excuses to violate even more of our rights.

You reep what you sow, as we have agreed in the past you contibuted to the current situation as much as I did.

I would be more than glad to leave the past behind and see how we can create a truly independent, free and democratic Cyprus where all citizens are equal without racist discrimination. Do you agree?

How do you propose to do that? leave it to chance with us being the ones more at risk? You are asking me to jump in a black hole and hope for the best, to us it appears you want us to expose ourselves leaving us to the mercy of the majority that do not have a great track record at dealing with TCs as equals.

I ask for safeguards yet you dismiss this by calling it crap which stimulates further mistrust between our communities as you ask me to take off my life jacket and hope for the best knowing full well that the past show there are very choppy seas.

And here is what I was talking earlier about. You are again talking about the past, trying to use your own distorted version of history looking for excuses to violate even more of our human rights and steal our lands (something which you call "safeguards" ). How is it a "safeguard" for your 18% minority keeping the 30% of land which you illegally occupy? It is pure stealing, and this is why I call what you label as "safeguards" as crap.

Get over the land excuse in a solution you will get your rights back, why is it at what you subscribe for me living in a GC state run by you cannot digest when we say you can live in a TC state run by TCs, all the people the choice where they wish to live, whats wrong with that?

And then when you are trying to present yourself as the victim of the past who now has to be rewarded on our loss, shouldn't I also remind you of the 10s of thousands of Cypriots that you butchered, and of the fact that you are the ones who started all wars in Cyprus bu constantly attacking our island? Or should I let you falsify our history looking for excuses to commit yet more crimes against us?

This is bullshit everyone is well aware of what happened in Cyprus and who messed up the only opportunity we had to build a Cypriot people.

You will never understand that the mentality of people lke Bananiot can bring about a unity state as people like him can be trusted but with you we need safeguards to ensure you behave as you are not and should not be trusted one inch as it would be the downfall of our rights on this island.

Of course I understand. People like Bananiot can be trusted to let you violate our rights and take our lands. If Bananiot tomorrow asked for a unitary state you wouldn't trust him either. You trust exactly because he accepts your demands.

I would genuinely vote yes to a unitary state if I was 100% sure that all GCs would act like Bananiot, people with your mentality are why a BBF and safeguards are necessary as you would soon move to make changes that would suit your own goal of controlling the whle island.

My "mentality" is the mentality of democracy, freedom, human rights, and equality of all Cypriot citizens without racist segregation and discrimination. And I understand perfectly well how my mentality doesn't fit well with your aim, the partition of Cyprus and the Turkification of the north part of it.

How will ensure this when I am faced with discrimination? when the majority are Gcs and do not act fairly and we have to struggle in courts to get our rights and be treated as equal citizens, will you not turn a blind eye and feel smug knowing that you are the majority?

So you are perfectly right not to trust me to accept your terms.

I do not trust you, you are 100% right.

[Piratis]

You put me in danger because you want to force my community to live in a Gc state run by GCs

What I want is an independent democratic state run by Cypriots. If because most Cypriots are GCs this means Cyprus will be run mostly by GCs, then I should remind you that we have never forced you to live in Cyprus. On the contrary it is you who came to our island with the aim to enslave and exploit us. We tried to force absolutely nothing on you. All we want is democracy and freedom for our island.

You return to the past when it suits you we are just as much indigenous to this island as you are so get over it, the fact that we cannot trust each other is the major problem, I trust Bananiot and if all GCs thought like him I would trust him with my future in a unitary state but unfortunately they are more like you so safeguards are vital to any new agreements that will guarantee our effective contribution to running of a united Cyprus.

VP, I do not "return to the past". You are the one who keeps going to the past trying to present yourselves as the victims who now need to be rewarded on our loss. All I do is just correct the distorted history that you present, showing that it is clearly you, the invaders, who are the aggressors, and not the native Cypriot people who had to suffer time and time again from your constant invasions. Still, unlike you, I ask for no punishment for you. If you stop trying to distord the past, then there will be no need for me to correct you.

You trust Bananiot only because he is willing to be your slave. If he was not, and he instead demanded his rights, then Bananiot would be Piratis, and you wouldn't trust him either.

who still seek revenge for the past, this is clear has you still hold me accountable for what happened 450 years let alone 40 years ago

I talk about your responsibilities of the past in the same way you talk about ours. Are you saying that you have the right to blame us for events of the past but I have no right to do the same? Double standards?

You got your asses whipped on every occassion of course you have a revenge seeking mentality thats why we have to be protected against. If this is not the case and nothing happens then those safeguards will become redundent.

Here you are again celebrating your attacks against us. You boast that you "whipped our asses" with your multiple invasions against our island, and then at the same sentence you claim that you are the one who needs safeguards. If there is one who needs safeguards to be protected by yet another Turkish invasion these are the native Cypriot people, not you.

As far as revenge goes, I never asked from you to be punished in any way, although you have caused and continue to cause massive harm to us. On the contrary it is you who keeps trying to find excuses to violate even more of our rights.

You reep what you sow, as we have agreed in the past you contibuted to the current situation as much as I did.

Where did I say such thing? How is it our fault that our island has been invaded by Turks? The only thing we ever did was fight for our freedom, which was our right. Do you equate the invasion of the Ottomans Turks and the Turks against innocent people, with the aim to take our lands and enslave us, with the revolution of the Cypriot people for freedom and self-determination?

I would be more than glad to leave the past behind and see how we can create a truly independent, free and democratic Cyprus where all citizens are equal without racist discrimination. Do you agree?

How do you propose to do that? leave it to chance with us being the ones more at risk? You are asking me to jump in a black hole and hope for the best, to us it appears you want us to expose ourselves leaving us to the mercy of the majority that do not have a great track record at dealing with TCs as equals.

So you admit that it is YOU who doesn't want to leave the past behind because you are trying to use it as an excuse. If you don't want to leave the past behind then we will not. But we will keep remind you who is the agressor (you) and who is the one who has been attacked (us).

I ask for safeguards yet you dismiss this by calling it crap which stimulates further mistrust between our communities as you ask me to take off my life jacket and hope for the best knowing full well that the past show there are very choppy seas.

And here is what I was talking earlier about. You are again talking about the past, trying to use your own distorted version of history looking for excuses to violate even more of our human rights and steal our lands (something which you call "safeguards" ). How is it a "safeguard" for your 18% minority keeping the 30% of land which you illegally occupy? It is pure stealing, and this is why I call what you label as "safeguards" as crap.

Get over the land excuse in a solution you will get your rights back, why is it at what you subscribe for me living in a GC state run by you cannot digest when we say you can live in a TC state run by TCs, all the people the choice where they wish to live, whats wrong with that?

Whats wrong it is that it is OUR land that you want to rule. How about if Turkey is ruled by the Greeks because there is some Greek minority there? Do you accept that? VP, do you think the rule of Turks over Cyprus during the Ottoman era was fine as well? Do you think it is fine when a minority of some imported settlers rule a territory instead of allowing the native people of the territory to rule democratically their own land?

And then when you are trying to present yourself as the victim of the past who now has to be rewarded on our loss, shouldn't I also remind you of the 10s of thousands of Cypriots that you butchered, and of the fact that you are the ones who started all wars in Cyprus bu constantly attacking our island? Or should I let you falsify our history looking for excuses to commit yet more crimes against us?

This is bullshit everyone is well aware of what happened in Cyprus and who messed up the only opportunity we had to build a Cypriot people.

Of course everybody knows. This is why there are UN resolutions that declare your pseudo state as illegal. Did you think that you can foul anybody with your lies?

You will never understand that the mentality of people lke Bananiot can bring about a unity state as people like him can be trusted but with you we need safeguards to ensure you behave as you are not and should not be trusted one inch as it would be the downfall of our rights on this island.

Of course I understand. People like Bananiot can be trusted to let you violate our rights and take our lands. If Bananiot tomorrow asked for a unitary state you wouldn't trust him either. You trust exactly because he accepts your demands.

I would genuinely vote yes to a unitary state if I was 100% sure that all GCs would act like Bananiot, people with your mentality are why a BBF and safeguards are necessary as you would soon move to make changes that would suit your own goal of controlling the whle island.

Bananiot = somebody who would never ask for our human and democratic rights, let alone a unitary state. So if everybody was like Bananiot this means nobody would ever ask for such thing. If they did, they would stop being "Bananiots", and therefore you wouldn't trust them.

My "mentality" is the mentality of democracy, freedom, human rights, and equality of all Cypriot citizens without racist segregation and discrimination. And I understand perfectly well how my mentality doesn't fit well with your aim, the partition of Cyprus and the Turkification of the north part of it.

How will ensure this when I am faced with discrimination? when the majority are Gcs and do not act fairly and we have to struggle in courts to get our rights and be treated as equal citizens, will you not turn a blind eye and feel smug knowing that you are the majority?


We will ensure this in the same why that minority rights are ensured in every other country. How does Turkey for example ensure the rights of the Greek minority there? We will do the same here as well.

So you are perfectly right not to trust me to accept your terms.

I do not trust you, you are 100% right.

I don't need the trust of a Nazi criminal that wants to take away my land and my rights.

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You have shown your true colours yet again that you are incapable of addressing any problems, ite either your way or the highway, you have sucessfully avoided and twisted every question to suit your own aims to brush aside the TC community and reduce them to minority status in GC state run by Gcs. Well have I got news for you if your mentality is in fact the majority in the which I believe it is, there will be no solution and you will die waiting for a swing in power you long for. We will continue as is with Turkey and you can kiss bye bye for good 37% of the island, You prove Denktas right when he stated you cannot negotiate with these people they only want sole and total control of the island and long for us to disappear. Well listen up as long as you continue with your stubborn and arrogant ways you will be looking at that flag on the mountain for many years to come reminding you of how stupid you have been and continue to be, not able to see that your approach will get you nowhere fast. Viva La Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

[Piratis]

You have shown your true colours yet again that you are incapable of addressing any problems, ite either your way or the highway, you have sucessfully avoided and twisted every question to suit your own aims to brush aside the TC community and reduce them to minority status in GC state run by Gcs. Well have I got news for you if your mentality is in fact the majority in the which I believe it is, there will be no solution and you will die waiting for a swing in power you long for. We will continue as is with Turkey and you can kiss bye bye for good 37% of the island, You prove Denktas right when he stated you cannot negotiate with these people they only want sole and total control of the island and long for us to disappear. Well listen up as long as you continue with your stubborn and arrogant ways you will be looking at that flag on the mountain for many years to come reminding you of how stupid you have been and continue to be, not able to see that your approach will get you nowhere fast. Viva La Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

You keep our land as hostage and you are trying to blackmail us to accept your terms and make your small minority (yes, 18% is a minority, take a math class) a ruler of Cyprus as if we are still living during the Ottoman era that by brute force you could violate our rights and rule over our island.

"My way" is the exact same way of every other country. It is the same way that exists in Turkey between the majority of Turks and the minority of Greeks. Your minority can have your human, minority and democratic rights, but you can not dictate in an undemocratic way the destiny of this island.

You can continue trying to blackmail us, and you will continue suffering the consequences of your illegal actions. We have shown that we can handle the pressure, and we will never give up until our island is free from the foreign invaders. We will never sign off the north part of our country to you. Your "trnc" will remain just a meaningless pseudo state, on land that belongs to the Republic of Cyprus and awaits its liberation so it can be inhabited again from the true Cypriots who you have ethnically cleansed in 1974 in your effort to make our land Turkish.

[Get Real!]

You have shown your true colours yet again that you are incapable of addressing any problems, ite either your way or the highway, you have sucessfully avoided and twisted every question to suit your own aims to brush aside the TC community and reduce them to minority status in GC state run by Gcs. Well have I got news for you if your mentality is in fact the majority in the which I believe it is, there will be no solution and you will die waiting for a swing in power you long for. We will continue as is with Turkey and you can kiss bye bye for good 37% of the island, You prove Denktas right when he stated you cannot negotiate with these people they only want sole and total control of the island and long for us to disappear. Well listen up as long as you continue with your stubborn and arrogant ways you will be looking at that flag on the mountain for many years to come reminding you of how stupid you have been and continue to be, not able to see that your approach will get you nowhere fast. Viva La Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

The Turkish Cypriot’s own segregationist mantra that they are a “distinct community” is itself a self inflicted status of minority so stop inventing excuses that others are relegating your people.

The Turkish Cypriots are foolishly of the belief that by constantly trying to prove that they are “different” they will somehow be rewarded with a separate custom-designed entity under which they can live by, but the western world is well aware that it’s all done under the guise of illegally acquiring a portion of a sovereign country’s territory for TC benefit and at Cyprus’ expense.

When all the undemocratic political arrangement schemes have been exhausted by the Greek Cypriot voter, the Turkish Cypriots who will have by then been utterly exhausted financially, morally, and in every other way, will ultimately capitulate and fall in line with democracy as they should.

[Oracle]

But Piratis, by what right do you call for a unitary state? Your President is in the thick of negotiations for BBF and by calling for a unitary state you are undermining the democratically elected President of Cyprus. Does this not bother you? Do you remember when you were telling me not to criticise the democratically elected President? What's wrong with you now? A touch of double standards perhaps? I sthis the way you understand democracy?

It's called calling a "political truce". A time and place for everything. I have never read anything of Piratis' that criticises the/any President ... only offering criticisms of policies under discussion.

Perhaps if you criticised the Turks once in a while, your treachery would not be so obvious.

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Piratis

You keep our land as hostage and you are trying to blackmail us to accept your terms and make your small minority (yes, 18% is a minority, take a math class) a ruler of Cyprus as if we are still living during the Ottoman era that by brute force you could violate our rights and rule over our island.

This is necessary has you have shown no signs of change and still subscrible to the phallacy that Cyprus is a Greek island and that GCs will rule supreme with or without the TCs, better for you without. But and its a big but we will do everything in our power to stop you, we will be a thorn in your side that will remind you that this island not purely Greek and that we have just as much right to be here and determine our own future.

"My way" is the exact same way of every other country. It is the same way that exists in Turkey between the majority of Turks and the minority of Greeks. Your minority can have your human, minority and democratic rights, but you can not dictate in an undemocratic way the destiny of this island.

May I remind you of countries that have solved their ethnic divisions Belgium, Switzerland, Serbia, Montenegro, all democracies are not the same and are shaped by history, your leaders have accepted and the UN has rubber stamped that a solution will be via a BBF with political eqıality, get used to it.

You can continue trying to blackmail us, and you will continue suffering the consequences of your illegal actions. We have shown that we can handle the pressure, and we will never give up until our island is free from the foreign invaders. We will never sign off the north part of our country to you. Your "trnc" will remain just a meaningless pseudo state, on land that belongs to the Republic of Cyprus and awaits its liberation so it can be inhabited again from the true Cypriots who you have ethnically cleansed in 1974 in your effort to make our land Turkish.

You are the ones blackmailing us with isolation but we are willing to pay this price 10 times over rather than accept a deal that would gift my country and future purely to GCs, converting the whole of Cyprus into a GC island run by GCs with us as foreigners, we are just as much indigenous as you are and will hold our position until you come to your senses and understand that you have to share this island equally and that we will not yield to your demands.