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[Oracle]

I am sorry to shatter your high grade happy smileys Paaul12 and VP, but the rankings you quote are not statistically significant; since Turkey for being 10 X larger than Greece, should really be ahead of even the UK Universities

More meaningful is to look at the achievements of a few individual institutions and if you peruse the list of the World's top Universities, The National Technical University of Athens is ranked at 244 (not bad for a country of about 8 Million ... and which traditionally sends its best students to the American Universities to improve their rankings ) ... Turkey does not manage to squeeze anything in until position 390 (Middle East Technical Uni) ... by which time Greece has a second one before that (Aristotle University of Thessaloniki) ....

http://www.webometrics.info/top4000.asp?offset=200

But good attempt at detraction. The real issues lie with your racist institutions.

Kifeas has posted a significant insight into this seemingly unregulated world of "thesis" thrashings, emerging from "universities" set up on ethnically cleansed lands ... How anyone can look into the immoral abyss of such functions and pretend to achieve higher states of learning I do not know

Oracle, sorry to burst your bubble, but Greece is 11 million, and not just 8 million that you quoted, and Turkey is only 7 times larger than Greece, and not 10 times!
Nevertheless, your observations are very accurate! Turkey, to have been anywhere near comparable to Greece, it should have had at least 14 Universities in the top 500, and 84 ones among the top 1,000, instead of only 3 and 8 respectively. Not only it merely has 3 and 8 in each category, but it doesn't even have 84 Universities all together, so that it would possibly come anywhere near Greece -set aside be comparable.
Furthermore, the fact that little Greece, which is 7 times smaller than Turkey, has at least 2 universities raking higher than any Turkish ones, "speaks volumes" regarding the quality and the standards of education in Kemalistan!


Good try, VP and Paaul, but sorry, you have to drive lots of miles before trying to compare your selves with Greece -set aside any other european country!

PS: And never forget that Homer was not a Greek, but a Turk whose real and actual name was ...Omer ...according to the Kemalist educational “reformists” and “historians!”

The quality and standards of the university has no relation to the size of the populatlon of a country as their are smaller countries than Greece with more unis in the top 1000. Good try but people arent stupid.

Bit difficult for you to understand VP ... Let's look at something simpler!

Literacy rankings as simple percentages ....

1 Denmark 100.00

5 Russia 99.60

9 Germany 99.00

15 Spain 97.90

18 Cyprus 97.60
19 Greece 97.50
23 Canada 97.00

29 Israel 95.40

36 Hong Kong 93.50

38 Portugal 93.30

43 Sri Lanka 92.30

48 China 90.90

52 Bahrain 89.10

55 Malaysia 88.70
56 Jamaica 87.90
56 Indonesia 87.90
57 Lebanon 87.40
58 Bolivia 87.20
59 Turkey 86.50
59 Albania 86.50

http://www.photius.com/rankings/populat ... 005_0.html

(Had to leave most countries out since the list was too long by the time we get down to Turkey )

[Oracle]

I am sorry to shatter your high grade happy smileys Paaul12 and VP, but the rankings you quote are not statistically significant; since Turkey for being 10 X larger than Greece, should really be ahead of even the UK Universities

More meaningful is to look at the achievements of a few individual institutions and if you peruse the list of the World's top Universities, The National Technical University of Athens is ranked at 244 (not bad for a country of about 8 Million ... and which traditionally sends its best students to the American Universities to improve their rankings ) ... Turkey does not manage to squeeze anything in until position 390 (Middle East Technical Uni) ... by which time Greece has a second one before that (Aristotle University of Thessaloniki) ....

http://www.webometrics.info/top4000.asp?offset=200

But good attempt at detraction. The real issues lie with your racist institutions.

Kifeas has posted a significant insight into this seemingly unregulated world of "thesis" thrashings, emerging from "universities" set up on ethnically cleansed lands ... How anyone can look into the immoral abyss of such functions and pretend to achieve higher states of learning I do not know

Oracle, sorry to burst your bubble, but Greece is 11 million, and not just 8 million that you quoted, and Turkey is only 7 times larger than Greece, and not 10 times!
Nevertheless, your observations are very accurate! Turkey, to have been anywhere near comparable to Greece, it should have had at least 14 Universities in the top 500, and 84 ones among the top 1,000, instead of only 3 and 8 respectively. Not only it merely has 3 and 8 in each category, but it doesn't even have 84 Universities all together, so that it would possibly come anywhere near Greece -set aside be comparable.
Furthermore, the fact that little Greece, which is 7 times smaller than Turkey, has at least 2 universities raking higher than any Turkish ones, "speaks volumes" regarding the quality and the standards of education in Kemalistan!


Good try, VP and Paaul, but sorry, you have to drive lots of miles before trying to compare your selves with Greece -set aside any other european country!

PS: And never forget that Homer was not a Greek, but a Turk whose real and actual name was ...Omer ...according to the Kemalist educational “reformists” and “historians!”

The quality and standards of the university has no relation to the size of the populatlon of a country as their are smaller countries than Greece with more unis in the top 1000. Good try but people arent stupid.

Very True.

From my early post:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus19909-80.html

Size does not matter as anyone can see from below:


40. Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
63 Tel Aviv University.
75 Weizmann Institute of Science.
84 Technion Israel Institute of Technology.

against

87 National Technical University of Athens. (only one in top 100 in Europe)

Israel has a placement of 8 Nobel prize winners, whereas Turkey has one (Orhan Pamuk) literature and Greece has NONE !

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:I ... _laureates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:N ... ationality.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Nobel Prize for Greece Number One:

The Nobel Prize in Literature 1979

"for his poetry, which, against the background of Greek tradition, depicts with sensuous strength and intellectual clear-sightedness modern man's struggle for freedom and creativeness"
Odysseus Elytis
(pen-name of Odysseus Alepoudhelis)
Greece
b. 1911
d. 1996


Nobel Prize for Greece Number Two:

Nobel Peace Prize for 2007.

Christos Zerefos, president of the National Observatory in Athens, and his colleague, Professor Alcibiades Bais of Thessaloniki University, are the first two Greeks to be awarded the shared Nobel Peace Prize.


Nobel Prize for Greece Number Three:

George Seferis, 1963.

UPI/Corbis-BettmannGreek poet, essayist, and diplomat who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1963.

After studying law in Paris, Seferis joined the Greek diplomatic service and served in London and Albania prior to World War II, during which time he was in exile with the free Greek government. Following the war he held posts in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq and served as Greek ambassador.

Cem .... you are really failing man!

[Bananiot]

Grow up people. What the hell are you trying to prove? You sound just like football's hooligans.

[Oracle]

Grow up people. What the hell are you trying to prove? You sound just like football's hooligans.

Good timing!

Your Turkish friends Cem and VP are battling hard for your adopted motherland, and failing miserably

[Cem]

Oracle, happy to be able to provide you with so many smileys !

1) Since you also confused the population of your motherland to be 8 m instead of 11 m thus 7 times smaller than Turkey not 10 times , we are somewhat ex aequo. you were rolling along with this basic mistake, thank Kifeas for stopping you short on this.

Still, in case you noticed 3 Greek 1 Turkish nobel laureates all revolve around peace and literature, nothing in the line of exact sciences (chemistry, physics, medicine, etc..) prize recipients for both countries.
Consequently, both countries have clearly an unstatisfactory record with respect to achievements in natural sciences.

Thus, if Turkey needs a model country to be inspired from, it should be Israel due to its academic/scientific output per capita for its sheer size, not Greece.

2) Your post about literacy rate is typically off-topic as this thread is about universities in Turkey not about the literacy rate, so stick to the topic.

3) turkish governments-past and present- having a dictating power in universities does not make these institutions racists but point to a general democracy problem which nobody can deny. Greece did not fare better under Dimitrios Ioannides rule either.

4) Still,you have not answered my question about how come Ankara (vicinity) becomes an ethnically cleansed land.

[paliometoxo]

turkey has a capital with a population bigge then all of greece and cyprus put together yet they cant do as well as greece or cyprus...

[Viewpoint]

turkey has a capital with a population bigge then all of greece and cyprus put together yet they cant do as well as greece or cyprus...

Do you know the capital city of Turkey?

[Cem]

turkey has a capital with a population bigge then all of greece and cyprus put together yet they cant do as well as greece or cyprus...

Ankara is the capital of Turkey and the country's second largest city after İstanbul. The city had a population of 3,901,201 as of 2007.
Greece has 11 million.

Conclusion: RoC must really upgrade mathematics education.

[paliometoxo]

ok well Constantinopole i meant

[Oracle]

Oracle, happy to be able to provide you with so many smileys !

1) Since you also confused the population of your motherland to be 8 m instead of 11 m thus 7 times smaller than Turkey not 10 times , we are somewhat ex aequo. you were rolling along with this basic mistake, thank Kifeas for stopping you short on this.

Still, in case you noticed 3 Greek 1 Turkish nobel laureates all revolve around peace and literature, nothing in the line of exact sciences (chemistry, physics, medicine, etc..) prize recipients for both countries.
Consequently, both countries have clearly an unstatisfactory record with respect to achievements in natural sciences.

Thus, if Turkey needs a model country to be inspired from, it should be Israel due to its academic/scientific output per capita for its sheer size, not Greece.

2) Your post about literacy rate is typically off-topic as this thread is about universities in Turkey not about the literacy rate, so stick to the topic.

3) turkish governments-past and present- having a dictating power in universities does not make these institutions racists but point to a general democracy problem which nobody can deny. Greece did not fare better under Dimitrios Ioannides rule either.

4) Still,you have not answered my question about how come Ankara (vicinity) becomes an ethnically cleansed land.

Cem you deserve the Nobel prize for clownery .... How can you make such a phenomenal error with all your obvious Googling .... maybe you should cut down on "Wikipedia"

As for the literacy rates they were supplied to VP because he was having trouble understanding Kifeas' points. So no detraction .... despite your being way off course with analogies to Israel.

Regarding ethnic cleansing, of not just Ankara ... but the whole of Turkey ... we'll need a whole new thread ... you can oblige