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I teach for this one

http://www.ntu.ac.uk/

Let's hope that's not your picture on there...

[HelenB]

No the old man is Dr Matt who I worked with at Astra/Zenaca in Loughborough very clever man

[Get Real!]

No the old man is Dr Matt who I worked with at Astra/Zenaca in Loughborough very clever man

That's a female... earring included!

[humanist]

like I give a hoot what the Greeks rank in the world, I am a Cypriot cheers

[Cem]

But good attempt at detraction. The real issues lie with your racist institutions.
Kifeas has posted a significant insight into this seemingly unregulated world of "thesis" thrashings, emerging from "universities" set up on ethnically cleansed lands ... How anyone can look into the immoral abyss of such functions and pretend to achieve higher states of learning I do not know

Bilkent University is in Ankara. What makes you think Ankara is an "ethnically cleansed" city/area ? Historical evidence please ??


Most of the prominent higher education institutions in Turkey, save a few one and the madrassa types mushrooming in anatolia, have put out a honorable struggle in the past against the military regimes to maintain their academic integrity and have still been doing so against the corrupt governments such as the present one. Thus, in no way they deserve to be classified as racist institutions. Not only you haven't got the slightest idea about recent political history and institutions of Turkey, but you don't even know the precise population of your motherland Greece either.
Now you start getting drunk on a glass of orange juice or what ?

And this goes for you Kifeas as well ! You are using a single case of a dimwit PhD holder to bash the whole academic institutions in Turkey. Do you have any other credible evidence that backs up your defamatory allegations concerning universities in turkey ? Such as based on SCI and/or SSCI index ratings or authorship in prestigious journals and article impact factor,etc, etc?

[Oracle]

Turkish Universities, places of learning and freedom?

Extracts from Washington Post

Turkish court sentenced Nuray Canan Bezirgan, 23, to six months in jail for "obstructing the education of others." Her crime: wearing a head scarf to her college final exams.

In the past two years, more than 25,000 women have been barred from Turkey's college campuses because they refused to remove the head scarves they wear as part of Muslim tradition, according to Turkish human rights groups.

Some of the most explosive fights have been waged on college campuses, where government regulations require students "to wear modern costumes and look modern."

"To ask people to choose between education and their faith is cruel"

Two years ago, police dragged Nuray Canan Bezirgan and three other students from their classroom at Istanbul University a week before she was to graduate. She was barred from returning and, in May, was sentenced to six months in jail.

"Because I wear a head scarf, I can't finish my education," said Bezirgan.

The government also has begun barring women from wearing head scarves in photographs for drivers licenses, passports and university enrollment documents.

[Cem]

Turkish Universities, places of learning and freedom?

Extracts from Washington Post

Turkish court sentenced Nuray Canan Bezirgan, 23, to six months in jail for "obstructing the education of others." Her crime: wearing a head scarf to her college final exams.

In the past two years, more than 25,000 women have been barred from Turkey's college campuses because they refused to remove the head scarves they wear as part of Muslim tradition, according to Turkish human rights groups.

Some of the most explosive fights have been waged on college campuses, where government regulations require students "to wear modern costumes and look modern."

"To ask people to choose between education and their faith is cruel"

Two years ago, police dragged Nuray Canan Bezirgan and three other students from their classroom at Istanbul University a week before she was to graduate. She was barred from returning and, in May, was sentenced to six months in jail.

"Because I wear a head scarf, I can't finish my education," said Bezirgan.

The government also has begun barring women from wearing head scarves in photographs for drivers licenses, passports and university enrollment documents. [/b]

Do I need to make even larger fonts to help you understand that government and universities are different entities ?

Do I also need to remind you that there is an islamist government in power and what keeps it from lifting the so-called headscarf ban since they rule by majority ?

In all other islamic countries the women are allowed or rather....ahem.. encouraged to wear headscarves. So judging from your post, they must be free from racism as well having a formidable academic performance.

Also why an E.U country such as France also bans wearing headscarves ?

[Viewpoint]

I am sorry to shatter your high grade happy smileys Paaul12 and VP, but the rankings you quote are not statistically significant; since Turkey for being 10 X larger than Greece, should really be ahead of even the UK Universities

More meaningful is to look at the achievements of a few individual institutions and if you peruse the list of the World's top Universities, The National Technical University of Athens is ranked at 244 (not bad for a country of about 8 Million ... and which traditionally sends its best students to the American Universities to improve their rankings ) ... Turkey does not manage to squeeze anything in until position 390 (Middle East Technical Uni) ... by which time Greece has a second one before that (Aristotle University of Thessaloniki) ....

http://www.webometrics.info/top4000.asp?offset=200

But good attempt at detraction. The real issues lie with your racist institutions.

Kifeas has posted a significant insight into this seemingly unregulated world of "thesis" thrashings, emerging from "universities" set up on ethnically cleansed lands ... How anyone can look into the immoral abyss of such functions and pretend to achieve higher states of learning I do not know

Oracle, sorry to burst your bubble, but Greece is 11 million, and not just 8 million that you quoted, and Turkey is only 7 times larger than Greece, and not 10 times!
Nevertheless, your observations are very accurate! Turkey, to have been anywhere near comparable to Greece, it should have had at least 14 Universities in the top 500, and 84 ones among the top 1,000, instead of only 3 and 8 respectively. Not only it merely has 3 and 8 in each category, but it doesn't even have 84 Universities all together, so that it would possibly come anywhere near Greece -set aside be comparable.
Furthermore, the fact that little Greece, which is 7 times smaller than Turkey, has at least 2 universities raking higher than any Turkish ones, "speaks volumes" regarding the quality and the standards of education in Kemalistan!


Good try, VP and Paaul, but sorry, you have to drive lots of miles before trying to compare your selves with Greece -set aside any other european country!

PS: And never forget that Homer was not a Greek, but a Turk whose real and actual name was ...Omer ...according to the Kemalist educational “reformists” and “historians!”

The quality and standards of the university has no relation to the size of the populatlon of a country as their are smaller countries than Greece with more unis in the top 1000. Good try but people arent stupid.

[Oracle]

Turkish Universities, places of learning and freedom?

Extracts from Washington Post

Turkish court sentenced Nuray Canan Bezirgan, 23, to six months in jail for "obstructing the education of others." Her crime: wearing a head scarf to her college final exams.

In the past two years, more than 25,000 women have been barred from Turkey's college campuses because they refused to remove the head scarves they wear as part of Muslim tradition, according to Turkish human rights groups.

Some of the most explosive fights have been waged on college campuses, where government regulations require students "to wear modern costumes and look modern."

"To ask people to choose between education and their faith is cruel"

Two years ago, police dragged Nuray Canan Bezirgan and three other students from their classroom at Istanbul University a week before she was to graduate. She was barred from returning and, in May, was sentenced to six months in jail.

"Because I wear a head scarf, I can't finish my education," said Bezirgan.

The government also has begun barring women from wearing head scarves in photographs for drivers licenses, passports and university enrollment documents. [/b]

Do I need to make even larger fonts to help you understand that government and universities are different entities ?

Do I also need to remind you that there is an islamist government in power and what keeps it from lifting the so-called headscarf ban since they rule by majority ?

In all other islamic countries the women are allowed or rather....ahem.. encouraged to wear headscarves. So judging from your post, they must be free from racism as well having a formidable academic performance.

Also why an E.U country such as France also bans wearing headscarves ?

Although Universities are usually free from the constraints of government in most countries ... clearly they are not in Turkey. Thank you for highlighting that extra hindrance.

France's headscarf ban was in schools not Universities, which is in keeping with the rigours of the wearing of "monotonous" uniforms to prevent discrimination between pupils.

You are also rather confused regarding Turkey as an Islamic country and any comparisons to "formidable" academic performances.

[Cem]

I am sorry to shatter your high grade happy smileys Paaul12 and VP, but the rankings you quote are not statistically significant; since Turkey for being 10 X larger than Greece, should really be ahead of even the UK Universities

More meaningful is to look at the achievements of a few individual institutions and if you peruse the list of the World's top Universities, The National Technical University of Athens is ranked at 244 (not bad for a country of about 8 Million ... and which traditionally sends its best students to the American Universities to improve their rankings ) ... Turkey does not manage to squeeze anything in until position 390 (Middle East Technical Uni) ... by which time Greece has a second one before that (Aristotle University of Thessaloniki) ....

http://www.webometrics.info/top4000.asp?offset=200

But good attempt at detraction. The real issues lie with your racist institutions.

Kifeas has posted a significant insight into this seemingly unregulated world of "thesis" thrashings, emerging from "universities" set up on ethnically cleansed lands ... How anyone can look into the immoral abyss of such functions and pretend to achieve higher states of learning I do not know

Oracle, sorry to burst your bubble, but Greece is 11 million, and not just 8 million that you quoted, and Turkey is only 7 times larger than Greece, and not 10 times!
Nevertheless, your observations are very accurate! Turkey, to have been anywhere near comparable to Greece, it should have had at least 14 Universities in the top 500, and 84 ones among the top 1,000, instead of only 3 and 8 respectively. Not only it merely has 3 and 8 in each category, but it doesn't even have 84 Universities all together, so that it would possibly come anywhere near Greece -set aside be comparable.
Furthermore, the fact that little Greece, which is 7 times smaller than Turkey, has at least 2 universities raking higher than any Turkish ones, "speaks volumes" regarding the quality and the standards of education in Kemalistan!


Good try, VP and Paaul, but sorry, you have to drive lots of miles before trying to compare your selves with Greece -set aside any other european country!

PS: And never forget that Homer was not a Greek, but a Turk whose real and actual name was ...Omer ...according to the Kemalist educational “reformists” and “historians!”

The quality and standards of the university has no relation to the size of the populatlon of a country as their are smaller countries than Greece with more unis in the top 1000. Good try but people arent stupid.

Very True.

From my early post:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus19909-80.html

Size does not matter as anyone can see from below:


40. Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
63 Tel Aviv University.
75 Weizmann Institute of Science.
84 Technion Israel Institute of Technology.

against

87 National Technical University of Athens. (only one in top 100 in Europe)

Israel has a placement of 8 Nobel prize winners, whereas Turkey has one (Orhan Pamuk) literature and Greece has NONE !

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:I ... _laureates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:N ... ationality.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.