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-mikkie2- how will we sleep tonight knowing Europe will punish us for a NO at the next referendum, I agree with turkcyp, many Tcs are now questioning why they voted Yes and do we really want to build a united Cyprus with GCs taking into account recent developments....GCs track record of commitment coupled with current actions and intrangence will prove to Europe why union may not be the best solution and as time passes a lack of progress will cement partition.

[-mikkie2-]

What I am saying is that if the A5 plan is put to us again it merely shows tha the decision of the people was not respected. Certain elements of the plan need to change in order to make it FAIR to as many people as possible. As it currently stands, it is not fair and it needs changes which need to be negotiated. The Turks have for the past 30 years pushed their maximalist demands in Cyprus, expecting us to yield to the point of humiliation. The GC's will never accept this.

The consequences of partition are that the TC's and Turkey will be excluded from the EU. At least we will be masters of our destiny as opposed to being held back by the backward thinking Kemalist ideological goons of Turkey.

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-mikkie2- I can understand your point about Annan 5 that as it stands it is finished, it would have to be amended as you quite rightly say to try and get a yes in the south but at the same time ensure not changing the yes form the north. What I am trying to state is that however the plan is changed Tcs will feel that the changes are in favour of GCs therefore automatically against TCs, add to this the changing attiude of many TCs questioning the foundation of any plan or agreement do we want to unite with these people, their politics and performance over only the last 3 years is enough to drum home that getting into a partnership with GCs could be costly for us in the long run as they would do everything within their power to undermine TCs under the facade of international law and human rights reducing us to minority in our own country, which we will never accept, even if it means saying to no in the next referendum which should never be disregarded or taking to the streets to riot for our right to be a partner, a political equal in our own country.

[gabaston]

VP

in your opinion what percentage of tcs voted yes for tcatical reasons.
yani, in light of an expected greek no note, so as to gain Eu sympathy?

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gabaston wouldnt hazard a guess but many TCs said they would vote yes knowing that GCs were going to vote no. These are people that under no circumstances do they want any union with GCs. They prefer to stay as they are rather than unite with a people they do not trust and feel they have not changed in the least bit from the 1960...

[gabaston]

next i reckon we'll probably get gc' tactical yes votes to get Eu sympathy, and with their luck they'll probably overdo it, and end up with an actual yes vote.

what a way to get a constitution huh

still this is Cyprus after all......

[MicAtCyp]

No it also took you 30 years to build a Turkish primary school. There has alwats been a Greek primary school operating in Karpas since the beginning. We just opened a Secondary school which there are more teachers than students.

30 years since when?Since the time there were NO TCs??? I am talking from the time those people (the majority of which are tzigane) returned, which was after the opening of the gates, which in fact is only one year
As for the secondary school in Karpas, that was a GC Secondary school built by us, that you just kept locked.I understand it costed you about a million to remove the locks. And by the way we can have as many teachers as we like since we pay them from our own pockets and we did not ask you to pay a single bakir. On the other hand you are not willing to pay a single cent for the TC teachers that will teach at Limassol scholl, correct?

although your government claims it also represents Turkish Cypriots.

The RoC represents the TCs and thats why you get your passports and your IDs and thats why you are now called Europeans, and thats why you are getting EU aid etc. However it cannot offer you everything as long as you are hiding up or tied in inside the pseudohole.

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"The RoC represents the TCs and thats why you get your passports and your IDs and thats why you are now called Europeans, and thats why you are getting EU aid etc. "

We are not getting any EU aid, RoC blocks it.

[boulio]

We are not getting any EU aid, RoC blocks it

its being blocked because you insist to tie it with direct trade and thats not going to happen,without the consent of the ROC.so stop playing games and except the aid and the offer for ammohostos port and things can move on.

[detailer]

anyway, we dont get it. That was just a correction