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[FreeSpirit]

Can you imagine taking your child to school and then going to your 6th form lessons.

denizaksulu all muslim clerics everywhere insist on abiding by the original wording of the koran.

By throwing a wobbly and encouraing the muslim pastime of taking part in Rent-a-mob the muslim clerics are playing right into the hands of the BNP (which may or may not be a bad thing).

[Tim Drayton]

I understand Tim. But I still wonderh ow many of the Islamic states who are ruled by the Sharia Law accept these child marriages, which are tantamount to child abuse (in western eyes). Do these states condone such actions even though these are in the Hadith?

I am sorry, Deniz, but Islamic states which are partially or fully ruled under Sharia law DO condone marriages with child brides. I realise that everybody who participates on this forum is as good as googling and pasting as I am, but a brief google search comes up with the following recent news items, whose headlines alone are sufficient to make the point:

Saudi Arabia: 60-year-old man postpones marriage to 10-year-old girl

HTTP://WORLDIVIDED.COM/2008/07/21/SAUDI ... -OLD-GIRL/

CHILD BRIDES AND GROOMS STIRRING CONDEMNATION IN SAUDI ARABIA

http://www.azstarnet.com/news/251456

15 child brides used to settle Pakistan feud

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/ju ... umanrights

Whether or not such jurisdictions directly invoke these hadith about the prophet to justify these practices is a moot point. I don't know if you are familiar with Turan Dursun's critical articles about Islam which have been published in three volumes, but he quite forcefully argues that you either have to accept the hadith as a whole, or reject them as a whole. It is interesting that the Alevi, who make up about a quarter of the population of Anatolia, totally reject (unless I am misinformed) the hadith which they claim were a human fabrication designed to distort Islam and introduce all sorts of cruel and extreme practices which have nothing to do with true Islam. I do not see how you can accept Sharia law, which is based on an unquestioning acceptance of the hadith, and thus also of those highly reliable hadith concerning the taking of a child bride by the very prophet himself, and reject the institution of child brides.

I have said it before, but I believe that the greatest legacy that Mustafa Kemal left to Turkey was the abolishing of Sharia law.

[zan]

Mohammed, at the age of 49, married Aisha when she was 6, but the marriage was not consecrated until she reached the age of 9!
This is according to a number of hadith, or sayings about the life of the prophet, which are considered to be reliable by Muslims (e.g. Bukhari, Es-Sahih 44).

*consummated?

No Deniz, he sexually abused a 9 yo child and used is position to do so. Some Islam huh?

You can keep it mate.

I am not here to defend the indefensible. All religions have their quirky bits. Leave it at that before you begin to accuse me of condoning the way of life 1500 years ago.

Deniz, I know you are smarter than that and I am not looking to accuse you of anything. You are making those assumptions again!

All that I am saying, is that Islam looks up to this guy who is Mr Islam, the danes took a bashing for publishing a simple cartoon and the islamists take his words literally, and that their mr mohamed can do no wrong.

Further, the moslems of today (and especially on this forum) that support Mr Mohamed, I would like to ask, would be happy to present your 9 yo daughters for a 50 yo bloke to has his way?

I bet thats a sounding NO! but at other times you want to chant mohamed mohamed mohamed and wave the qoran in our faces.

Give me a break.

Anyway I have had my rant, end of.

Sorry....Just a quick post.......I really can't believe that people like this don't even know what they are saying or even how they really feel.. This young woman is quoted as being 6/9......Now can you intelligent guys tell me how old Noah is being quoted as being in the BIBLE..... You love your prejudices and your one sided way of thinking don't you. As soon as you inject some sanity and reality into your thinking then it all falls apart doesn't it..... ....Rumours, tales and full on bullshit from fictional books and you take it as real....FFS

[denizaksulu]

I understand Tim. But I still wonderh ow many of the Islamic states who are ruled by the Sharia Law accept these child marriages, which are tantamount to child abuse (in western eyes). Do these states condone such actions even though these are in the Hadith?

I am sorry, Deniz, but Islamic states which are partially or fully ruled under Sharia law DO condone marriages with child brides. I realise that everybody who participates on this forum is as good as googling and pasting as I am, but a brief google search comes up with the following recent news items, whose headlines alone are sufficient to make the point:

Saudi Arabia: 60-year-old man postpones marriage to 10-year-old girl

HTTP://WORLDIVIDED.COM/2008/07/21/SAUDI ... -OLD-GIRL/

CHILD BRIDES AND GROOMS STIRRING CONDEMNATION IN SAUDI ARABIA

http://www.azstarnet.com/news/251456

15 child brides used to settle Pakistan feud

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/ju ... umanrights

Whether or not such jurisdictions directly invoke these hadith about the prophet to justify these practices is a moot point. I don't know if you are familiar with Turan Dursun's critical articles about Islam which have been published in three volumes, but he quite forcefully argues that you either have to accept the hadith as a whole, or reject them as a whole. It is interesting that the Alevi, who make up about a quarter of the population of Anatolia, totally reject (unless I am misinformed) the hadith which they claim were a human fabrication designed to distort Islam and introduce all sorts of cruel and extreme practices which have nothing to do with true Islam. I do not see how you can accept Sharia law, which is based on an unquestioning acceptance of the hadith, and thus also of those highly reliable hadith concerning the taking of a child bride by the very prophet himself, and reject the institution of child brides.

I have said it before, but I believe that the greatest legacy that Mustafa Kemal left to Turkey was the abolishing of Sharia law.

One of the reasons that I am addicted to this forum Tim, is the readiness forumers are willing to google. Some have more time than others. I thank you again for your search (and all others).

To Pantheman, I make no apologies for these people. It is all abhorable.

[Tim Drayton]

....Rumours, tales and full on bullshit from fictional books and you take it as real....

Zan, the point is that a number of countries base their whole system of law on these "rumours, tales and full on bullshit from fictional books". Since this includes a group of countries in the Arabian Peninsula which together produce a considerable amount of the world's oil, these "rumours, tales and full on bullshit from fictional books" retain their importance for the whole world which relies on their oil, because people in these countries believe them to be literally true and base their legal systems on them, even if we consider them to be fiction.

[norn_iron]

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I am sure the passages quoted above are not from the Koran, but are from the Hadith. Written after the death of the prophet.

Even these were written 1400 hundred or so years ago, they would not be valid arguments in this day and age. To bring them up now is pointless unless the person is deliberately being 'anti-Islamic' and or just being a pain in the backside of Muslim fundamentalists.

Why? Surely if this prophet is such a guy to be listened to and followed then he should be able to stand up to criticism. The more you can understand about a persons life then the more you understand about the person. In Christianity Christians are strongly encourage to read up and discover the real Jesus for themselves and as far as I can see and have heard and read he led a spotless life and even before he was killed the religious leaders and rulers of the day couldn't fault him, therefore shedding innocent blood. If the fundamental figurehead and ancient writings of Islam is irrelevant today then so is the religion. I'd go as far to say if the leader is false so are his writings. Why did he have sexual relations with 22 women yetwithall only allow his followers to have 4 each? Hypocritical? Lead by example?...

[EPSILON]

There is a new book out about the six year old wife of Mohamed, anyone know where I can get a copy for Garry Glitter?[/b]

Who Mohamed is? The only Mohamed in know was a "gey" in military bscholl of Salonica "several years ago"+he had some Greek friends-educated him how to deal with life and politics...among others

[FreeSpirit]

There is a new book out about the six year old wife of Mohamed, anyone know where I can get a copy for Garry Glitter?[/b]

Who Mohamed is? The only Mohamed in know was a "gey" in military bscholl of Salonica "several years ago"+he had some Greek friends-educated him how to deal with life and politics...among others

He was a Paedophile who 1500 or so years ago married a six year old child and then had the audacity to tell others how to conduct their lives.

[denizaksulu]

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I am sure the passages quoted above are not from the Koran, but are from the Hadith. Written after the death of the prophet.

Even these were written 1400 hundred or so years ago, they would not be valid arguments in this day and age. To bring them up now is pointless unless the person is deliberately being 'anti-Islamic' and or just being a pain in the backside of Muslim fundamentalists.

Why? Surely if this prophet is such a guy to be listened to and followed then he should be able to stand up to criticism. The more you can understand about a persons life then the more you understand about the person. In Christianity Christians are strongly encourage to read up and discover the real Jesus for themselves and as far as I can see and have heard and read he led a spotless life and even before he was killed the religious leaders and rulers of the day couldn't fault him, therefore shedding innocent blood. If the fundamental figurehead and ancient writings of Islam is irrelevant today then so is the religion. I'd go as far to say if the leader is false so are his writings. Why did he have sexual relations with 22 women yetwithall only allow his followers to have 4 each? Hypocritical? Lead by example?...

Mohammad, is not here to stand up for himself. I am not here to defend social life of those days. What I am trying to point out is that, these are written by others and attributed to Mohammad. Why dont you doubt the accuracy of these sayings (the Al-Hadith). I do. The people who wrote these are perhaps pandering to their own tastes, but how best do you justify these, but by attributing these actions to the Prophet Mohammad. All these stories written so long ago should be taken with a pinch of salt, and those that believe them 100% are fools.

Regards

[zan]

....Rumours, tales and full on bullshit from fictional books and you take it as real....

Zan, the point is that a number of countries base their whole system of law on these "rumours, tales and full on bullshit from fictional books". Since this includes a group of countries in the Arabian Peninsula which together produce a considerable amount of the world's oil, these "rumours, tales and full on bullshit from fictional books" retain their importance for the whole world which relies on their oil, because people in these countries believe them to be literally true and base their legal systems on them, even if we consider them to be fiction.

Tim

You are talking to a man who was forced of his homeland by a christian priest and a religious belief of ENOSIS.....Then there is the holy/oil war of the middle east and more of my own personal experiences of christianity in which a priest spent an hour telling all those gathered that they were sinners when it should of been the happy occasion of a christening. Then there is the recent funeral I went to in which the priest spent all the time talking about god instead of the poor unfortunate soul that was laying in the coffin. You seem to forget the words of Bush in which he said "God is on our side", when it came to fighting against the Taliban. This Forum has shown me time and time again that the saying of not being able to see the wood for the trees is so true. You also seem to forget who the law makers used to be in Christian countries and although they do not have that great power now we still live by those laws.

I hate religion of all shapes and sizes simply because it makes no sense to me but I fear them all equally. I have no doubt in my mind that the GO church has great influence in the CYPROB. Another reason to give us our guarantees. People need to understand more about their own environment before jumping on the Bush bandwagon.

ps. Does anyone know what it is like living in one of those hick little American red-neck towns and not be part of the christian sect?????