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[FreeSpirit]

There is a new book out about the six year old wife of Mohamed, anyone know where I can get a copy for Garry Glitter?[/b]

Glitter wrote the foreword

Probably the backward as well

[denizaksulu]

I wonder what the Arabic word used was?

Are you suggesting that perhaps Westerners have mistranslated these hadith with the aim of presenting a false picture? The following quote may be of interest:

http://www.exmuslim.com/com/evidence.htm

DEFINITION OF THE WORD TRANSLATED AS "CONSUMMATE"
There has been some confusion about the definition of the word "consummate". In Sahih Bukhari, vol. 7, #64, the root word used is "dakhala". From the Hans-Wehr Arabic-English Dictionary p273, it means "to enter, to pierce, to penetrate, to consummate the marriage, cohabit, sleep with a woman". I have also asked two native Arabic speakers to confirm the definition of the word used in Bukhari. They read Bukhari in Arabic for themselves, and did indeed say it meant that Muhammad had sexual intercourse with Aisha when she was 9.

This root "dakhala" is the source of the Turkish word "dahil".

Not at all Tim.

The Bible will say,'go forth and multiply', the modern equivalent is O's favourite swear word. (Ph--- O--). Just curious. Now I will finish reading your post.

Thaks anyway

[denizaksulu]

I wonder what the Arabic word used was?

Are you suggesting that perhaps Westerners have mistranslated these hadith with the aim of presenting a false picture? The following quote may be of interest:

http://www.exmuslim.com/com/evidence.htm

DEFINITION OF THE WORD TRANSLATED AS "CONSUMMATE"
There has been some confusion about the definition of the word "consummate". In Sahih Bukhari, vol. 7, #64, the root word used is "dakhala". From the Hans-Wehr Arabic-English Dictionary p273, it means "to enter, to pierce, to penetrate, to consummate the marriage, cohabit, sleep with a woman". I have also asked two native Arabic speakers to confirm the definition of the word used in Bukhari. They read Bukhari in Arabic for themselves, and did indeed say it meant that Muhammad had sexual intercourse with Aisha when she was 9.

This root "dakhala" is the source of the Turkish word "dahil".

Ofcourse you answered my question. Thanks again.

[denizaksulu]

Mohammed, at the age of 49, married Aisha when she was 6, but the marriage was not consecrated until she reached the age of 9!
This is according to a number of hadith, or sayings about the life of the prophet, which are considered to be reliable by Muslims (e.g. Bukhari, Es-Sahih 44).

*consummated?

No Deniz, he sexually abused a 9 yo child and used is position to do so. Some Islam huh?

You can keep it mate.

I am not here to defend the indefensible. All religions have their quirky bits. Leave it at that before you begin to accuse me of condoning the way of life 1500 years ago.

[tessintrnc]

It wasn't just Moslems that accepted brides at puberty. Things that happened and were accepted years ago shouldn't taint the whole people. If a girl was ready to re-produce (that is, after her 1st period) then she was ready for marriage, not just in Islamic areas but all over the world!!! Thankfully times have changed for most of us............ But it isn't right to say that all Moslems condone child marriages because the Prophet took such a young bride over 1500 years ago, and this isn't a religious thing - it's a cultural one. In the Royal Courts of Europe of the middle ages, young brides were sent to live with their Spouses parents until of an age for reproduction to begin. Whats the difference? Its still wrong!!!

[denizaksulu]

It wasn't just Moslems that accepted brides at puberty. Things that happened and were accepted years ago shouldn't taint the whole people. If a girl was ready to re-produce (that is, after her 1st period) then she was ready for marriage, not just in Islamic areas but all over the world!!! Thankfully times have changed for most of us............ But it isn't right to say that all Moslems condone child marriages because the Prophet took such a young bride over 1500 years ago, and this isn't a religious thing - it's a cultural one. In the Royal Courts of Europe of the middle ages, young brides were sent to live with their Spouses parents until of an age for reproduction to begin. Whats the difference? Its still wrong!!!

.and the Lord of the Manor had the rights of the virgin bride.

[Oracle]

You'd think a prophet would know better than to follow customs that would one day re-surface to ridicule him ...

Not much of a prophet .....

[Tim Drayton]

Exactly, put it into the social and cultural context of life in the Arabian peninsula in the sixth century and it takes on very different dimensions.

However, it makes my blood boil when something that is borne our by the most reliable sources in Islam is threatened by censorship.

[tessintrnc]

Exactly, put it into the social and cultural context of life in the Arabian peninsula in the sixth century and it takes on very different dimensions.

However, it makes my blood boil when something that is borne our by the most reliable sources in Islam is threatened by censorship.

I understand that Tim, but this book is actually a fictional one - based on the Prophet's yougest wife. It has been critised in America as pornographic and I just don't see the point in insulting Islam in these sensitive times.

Tess

[Get Real!]

The further back you go in history the more the stupidity you’ll encounter regardless of ethnic background or religion.

Enjoy the “History of Marriage Timeline”…

http://www.lambdaarchives.us/timelines/ ... th_Century


Regards, GR.