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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:50 pm

humanist wrote:whatever mate, I know excactly waht I want and my position has ever changed. I want a Cyrus that is free and where all cypriots live in peace and harmony and on their own land.

From there on it i your prejudiced and racist deep seated ideology that drive your actions. End of Story. When you come back with a plan to unify all Cypriots equally then preach to me about racism.

I want one Cyprus one people. What do you want? Who is the racist now?


Tell us how you expect to achieve your goal? allowing for the 80% 20% imbalance and the biased and racist views of both sides.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:00 am

Expatkiwi wrote:
humanist wrote:whatever mate, I know excactly waht I want and my position has ever changed. I want a Cyrus that is free and where all cypriots live in peace and harmony and on their own land.

From there on it i your prejudiced and racist deep seated ideology that drive your actions. End of Story. When you come back with a plan to unify all Cypriots equally then preach to me about racism.

I want one Cyprus one people. What do you want? Who is the racist now?


You're making one main assumption: that all Greek Cypriots think the way that you do. Sorry to destroy your assumption, but they do not! There are more than enough nationalist Greek Cypriots who will try once again to marginalize - if not terrorize - the Turkish Cypriot presence on the island. Just read some of what your compatriots post if you don't beleive me...


Expat, i suggest you rethink your logic. there are extremes on both sides of the divide.

are 'we' to forego 'our' Freewill to satisfy 'their' demands?
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:13 am

Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:whatever mate, I know excactly waht I want and my position has ever changed. I want a Cyrus that is free and where all cypriots live in peace and harmony and on their own land.

From there on it i your prejudiced and racist deep seated ideology that drive your actions. End of Story. When you come back with a plan to unify all Cypriots equally then preach to me about racism.

I want one Cyprus one people. What do you want? Who is the racist now?


Tell us how you expect to achieve your goal? allowing for the 80% 20% imbalance and the biased and racist views of both sides.


VP, please read my manifesto...

...and (call them something nice warm and wooly) what about enclaves?

Cyprus is neither "Greek" or "Turkish", and its State is larger than either Community. It is the Guarantee we need to protect and to better our Individual Rights without bias, except as Human beings. "Greeks" and "Turks" need to represent themselves as a majority within their own communities, if they are to be sustained. This is done Bicommunally, with another level of government. as equals, in Assemblies.

Similarly the land is neither "Greek" or "Turkish", and the displaced, all of them, deserve our Humility and Grace.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:18 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:whatever mate, I know excactly waht I want and my position has ever changed. I want a Cyrus that is free and where all cypriots live in peace and harmony and on their own land.

From there on it i your prejudiced and racist deep seated ideology that drive your actions. End of Story. When you come back with a plan to unify all Cypriots equally then preach to me about racism.

I want one Cyprus one people. What do you want? Who is the racist now?


Tell us how you expect to achieve your goal? allowing for the 80% 20% imbalance and the biased and racist views of both sides.


VP, please read my manifesto...

...and (call them something nice warm and wooly) what about enclaves?

Cyprus is neither "Greek" or "Turkish", and its State is larger than either Community. It is the Guarantee we need to protect and to better our Individual Rights without bias, except as Human beings. "Greeks" and "Turks" need to represent themselves as a majority within their own communities, if they are to be sustained. This is done Bicommunally, with another level of government. as equals, in Assemblies.

Similarly the land is neither "Greek" or "Turkish", and the displaced, all of them, deserve our Humility and Grace.


respulse please dont ask this again Im only being polite as I have answered your question many times before I am against enclaves 100%.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:05 pm

The European Union congratulates the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on its 60th anniversary.

The EU reaffirms its strong support for the ICJ as the principal judicial organ of the United Nations and acknowledges its contributions to the peaceful settlement of numerous disputes between States. The Court has proven to be a cornerstone of the international legal order today. It has created a corpus of judicial decisions and advisory opinions of the highest quality, which has become an indispensable and reliable means for the determination of the rules of international law.

The EU notes with satisfaction that an increasing number of cases and legal questions has been brought before the ICJ over the last decades. This clearly demonstrates the trust of the international community in the work of the ICJ, the increased reliance on international law and the commitment to the peaceful settlement of disputes by judicial means.

While the establishment of specialised international courts, tribunals and other dispute settlement institutions confirm the increasing acceptance of the judicial settlement of disputes, the ICJ remains the principal judicial institution and at the heart of an international order based on the rule of law.

"The EU takes this opportunity to call upon all States to refer their disputes that cannot be settled by other peaceful means to the ICJ, and strongly urges all States to comply with the decisions of the ICJ.

The Acceding Countries Bulgaria and Romania, the Candidate Countries Turkey, Croatia* and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia*, the Countries of the Stabilisation and Association Process and potential candidates Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro, and the EFTA countries Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway, members of the European Economic Area, as well as Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova align themselves with this declaration."

* Croatia and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia continue to be part of the Stabilisation and Association Process

http://www.europa-eu-un.org/articles/en ... 906_en.htm
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Postby Nikitas » Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:11 pm

VP said:

"Turkey will not make it, its only a matter time if not already that they to realize this. Where will your leverage be then? and how will effect your cause to turn the whole of Cyprus into a GC state run by GCs for GCs."

And where did you get your evidence that the above is my personal ambition? As for the official policy of the RoC governments since 1977 the goal is a BBF solution. The only deviation one can logically see is the introduction of the EU factor since 1974.

As for the leverage in case Turkey drops out of EU membership process, that will come from elsewhere in that case, not Cyprus. If Turkey is not directed towards the EU then it will be against it and subject to ther pressures. The way things are developing these last few days it is obvious that nothing can be taken for granted anymore, not even military budgets.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:45 pm

Nikitas wrote:VP said:

"Turkey will not make it, its only a matter time if not already that they to realize this. Where will your leverage be then? and how will effect your cause to turn the whole of Cyprus into a GC state run by GCs for GCs."

And where did you get your evidence that the above is my personal ambition? As for the official policy of the RoC governments since 1977 the goal is a BBF solution. The only deviation one can logically see is the introduction of the EU factor since 1974.

As for the leverage in case Turkey drops out of EU membership process, that will come from elsewhere in that case, not Cyprus. If Turkey is not directed towards the EU then it will be against it and subject to ther pressures. The way things are developing these last few days it is obvious that nothing can be taken for granted anymore, not even military budgets.


If Turkey drops out of the EU process you will have no leverage to force concessions to get control of the whole island end of story.

Then you better explain the BBF solution to other GCs as they seem to dead against it.
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Postby pantheman » Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:27 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Nikitas wrote:VP said:

"Turkey will not make it, its only a matter time if not already that they to realize this. Where will your leverage be then? and how will effect your cause to turn the whole of Cyprus into a GC state run by GCs for GCs."

And where did you get your evidence that the above is my personal ambition? As for the official policy of the RoC governments since 1977 the goal is a BBF solution. The only deviation one can logically see is the introduction of the EU factor since 1974.

As for the leverage in case Turkey drops out of EU membership process, that will come from elsewhere in that case, not Cyprus. If Turkey is not directed towards the EU then it will be against it and subject to ther pressures. The way things are developing these last few days it is obvious that nothing can be taken for granted anymore, not even military budgets.


If Turkey drops out of the EU process you will have no leverage to force concessions to get control of the whole island end of story.

Then you better explain the BBF solution to other GCs as they seem to dead against it.


WHEN Turkey is out of the EU process thats when she is really going to feel the pain.

At the moment she is buying time and investors who beleive she will join will soon realise their fuckup and leave. This is when the real sanctions will begin and we will have MORE leverage. Idiot.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:02 pm

pantheman wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Nikitas wrote:VP said:

"Turkey will not make it, its only a matter time if not already that they to realize this. Where will your leverage be then? and how will effect your cause to turn the whole of Cyprus into a GC state run by GCs for GCs."

And where did you get your evidence that the above is my personal ambition? As for the official policy of the RoC governments since 1977 the goal is a BBF solution. The only deviation one can logically see is the introduction of the EU factor since 1974.

As for the leverage in case Turkey drops out of EU membership process, that will come from elsewhere in that case, not Cyprus. If Turkey is not directed towards the EU then it will be against it and subject to ther pressures. The way things are developing these last few days it is obvious that nothing can be taken for granted anymore, not even military budgets.


If Turkey drops out of the EU process you will have no leverage to force concessions to get control of the whole island end of story.

Then you better explain the BBF solution to other GCs as they seem to dead against it.


WHEN Turkey is out of the EU process thats when she is really going to feel the pain.

At the moment she is buying time and investors who beleive she will join will soon realise their fuckup and leave. This is when the real sanctions will begin and we will have MORE leverage. Idiot.


Real sanctions?? more leverage??? you are dreaming , out of the EU process and Turkey wont give a shit about a solution, you are the idiot not me.
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Postby pantheman » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:19 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
pantheman wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Nikitas wrote:VP said:

"Turkey will not make it, its only a matter time if not already that they to realize this. Where will your leverage be then? and how will effect your cause to turn the whole of Cyprus into a GC state run by GCs for GCs."

And where did you get your evidence that the above is my personal ambition? As for the official policy of the RoC governments since 1977 the goal is a BBF solution. The only deviation one can logically see is the introduction of the EU factor since 1974.

As for the leverage in case Turkey drops out of EU membership process, that will come from elsewhere in that case, not Cyprus. If Turkey is not directed towards the EU then it will be against it and subject to ther pressures. The way things are developing these last few days it is obvious that nothing can be taken for granted anymore, not even military budgets.


If Turkey drops out of the EU process you will have no leverage to force concessions to get control of the whole island end of story.

Then you better explain the BBF solution to other GCs as they seem to dead against it.


WHEN Turkey is out of the EU process thats when she is really going to feel the pain.

At the moment she is buying time and investors who beleive she will join will soon realise their fuckup and leave. This is when the real sanctions will begin and we will have MORE leverage. Idiot.


Real sanctions?? more leverage??? you are dreaming , out of the EU process and Turkey wont give a shit about a solution, you are the idiot not me.


We shall see, time will tell then we shall see who is the real idiot.
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