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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:34 pm

Piratis wrote:
The Cyprus issue will never be taken up by the ICJ since Turkey would have to agree to it.


There are two questions here:

1) Why Turkey has to agree to it?

2) Why Turkey doesn't agree to it?

Lets take the first question first. Those Kossovars that declared Kossovo as an independent state are ethnic Albanians yet the agreement of Albania was not needed.

Some countries recognize kosovo as an independent state, most don't. So the independence of Kossovo is in question.

In the case of the pseudo state called "trnc" there is no such question. No county except Turkey recognizes the pseudo state. So there is no case that the so called "trnc" is something independent. It is obvious to everybody, including you, that north Cyprus is ruled by turkey, not by any "trnc', and this is why the case in the ICJ would be Cyprus VS Turkey, and this is why Turkey would have to agree to it.

So why turkey doesn't agree to it? The answer here is even simpler: They know they are acting against international law and therefore they know that there is absolutely no possibility they can win this case. So they refuse legality, and instead they are trying to use their army to force and blackmail us to get what they want on our loss.


Turkey is not a member of the ICJ.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:53 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
The Cyprus issue will never be taken up by the ICJ since Turkey would have to agree to it.


There are two questions here:

1) Why Turkey has to agree to it?

2) Why Turkey doesn't agree to it?

Lets take the first question first. Those Kossovars that declared Kossovo as an independent state are ethnic Albanians yet the agreement of Albania was not needed.

Some countries recognize kosovo as an independent state, most don't. So the independence of Kossovo is in question.

In the case of the pseudo state called "trnc" there is no such question. No county except Turkey recognizes the pseudo state. So there is no case that the so called "trnc" is something independent. It is obvious to everybody, including you, that north Cyprus is ruled by turkey, not by any "trnc', and this is why the case in the ICJ would be Cyprus VS Turkey, and this is why Turkey would have to agree to it.

So why turkey doesn't agree to it? The answer here is even simpler: They know they are acting against international law and therefore they know that there is absolutely no possibility they can win this case. So they refuse legality, and instead they are trying to use their army to force and blackmail us to get what they want on our loss.


Turkey is not a member of the ICJ.


Convenient ..... :roll:
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Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:05 am

...and meanwhile Turkey is hopeful for a seat in the UN's Security Council. (lol) She will fain insult at being rebuffed again, and demonstrate against some bias, claiming as always that there are forces which are conspiring against her, seeking the pity of those who will listen.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:06 am

Viewpoint wrote:Turkey is not a member of the ICJ.

Let's hope you won't miss it this time...

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN).

http://www.icj-cij.org/court/index.php?p1=1

Now let's lookup Cyprus and Turkey in here... :roll:

United Nations Member States
http://www.un.org/members/list.shtml

Cyprus (20 September 1960)
Turkey (24 October 1945)


Well I'll be damned! :roll:
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:11 am

Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Turkey is not a member of the ICJ.

Let's hope you won't miss it this time...

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN).

http://www.icj-cij.org/court/index.php?p1=1

Now let's lookup Cyprus and Turkey in here... :roll:

United Nations Member States
http://www.un.org/members/list.shtml

Cyprus (20 September 1960)
Turkey (24 October 1945)


Well I'll be damned! :roll:


Turkey is a member of the UN but not a part of the ICJ, stop misleading people.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:13 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Turkey is not a member of the ICJ.

Let's hope you won't miss it this time...

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN).

http://www.icj-cij.org/court/index.php?p1=1

Now let's lookup Cyprus and Turkey in here... :roll:

United Nations Member States
http://www.un.org/members/list.shtml

Cyprus (20 September 1960)
Turkey (24 October 1945)


Well I'll be damned! :roll:


Turkey is a member of the UN but not a part of the ICJ, stop misleading people.

There is no such thing as ICJ membership... :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:14 am

International courts that involve state membership:



The International Criminal Court (ICC)
http://www.icc-cpi.int/home.html&l=en

ICC members include Cyprus but NOT Turkey…
http://www.icc-cpi.int/statesparties.html



Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA)
http://www.pca-cpa.org/showpage.asp?pag_id=363

PCA members include Cyprus & Turkey…
http://www.pca-cpa.org/showpage.asp?pag_id=1038
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:15 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Turkey is not a member of the ICJ.

Let's hope you won't miss it this time...

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN).

http://www.icj-cij.org/court/index.php?p1=1

Now let's lookup Cyprus and Turkey in here... :roll:

United Nations Member States
http://www.un.org/members/list.shtml

Cyprus (20 September 1960)
Turkey (24 October 1945)


Well I'll be damned! :roll:


Turkey is a member of the UN but not a part of the ICJ, stop misleading people.


All the members are here http://www.icj-cij.org/court/index.php?p1=1&p2=2&p3=2
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:16 am

Viewpoint wrote:All the members are here http://www.icj-cij.org/court/index.php?p1=1&p2=2&p3=2

Those are judges you incompetent goofball! :evil:
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:18 am

Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:All the members are here http://www.icj-cij.org/court/index.php?p1=1&p2=2&p3=2

Those are judges you incompetent goofball! :evil:


If you are not a member (refers to members and their country on the page) and do not contribute to the process the judgements cannot be enforced.
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