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[humanist]

Now here's someone who is realistic fair and just. Why isn't he the leader that can bring GC's and TC's together representing the interests of the TC's?

Security of Greek and Turkish Cypriots not a Guarantee Treaty Issue
The security of the Turkish and Greek Cypriot communities is not a directly relevant in the Guarantees Treaty, says Erel
8 Ekim 2008, Çar?amba 18:37 Yorum Yaz Yazd?r Arkada??na Gönder

In a written announcement, Chairman of the Cyprus EU Association Mr Ali Erel spilled the beans on recent calls in the north of Cyprus by some politicians to maintain Turkey’s Guaranteeship. Referring to the Guarantees and Alliance Treaties of the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus of 1960, Erel noted that the security of the Turkish and Greek Cypriot communities is not a direct issue in the content of the Guarantees Treaty. Erel noted: “The Treaty and the Guarantors could not safeguard the security of the Turkish Cypriot community who were compelled to live under very poor conditions between 1963 and 1974. In 1974 Turkey militarily intervened under the provision to “take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the Treaty”. It is hard to say that the security of hundreds for thousands of Greek Cypriots living in the northern part of Cyprus and tens of thousands of Turkish Cypriots living in the southern part were simultaneously secured and the state of affairs was re-established by the Turkish intervention.” Erel also raised further questions about Turkey’s intervention: “The new state of affairs created by this operation has been declared unacceptable and illegal by the UN Security Council resolutions and the European Court of Human Rights judgements. In 2008, it is still hard to say that the simultaneous and parallel security needs of both communities are safeguarded.”

The Association asked that the arrangement of the security issue that will be found in the solution must be different from the current one at the Guarantees Treaty. The Association also asked that the need for a new arrangement must be accepted to meet the needs of the two communities. Erel wrote: “If an acceptable solution by both communities is to be found, the new security arrangement should be different. “An arrangement where the right to “re-establishing the state of affairs” could not be abused and its only success is not to safeguard the security and strategic interests of the Guarantors, is a must and cannot be overlooked for the sake of the communities living in Cyprus,” he said. Erel continued that a new arrangement must meet the simultaneous and parallel security of both communities and the red lines in the negotiations taking place in aim of finding a solution to the Cyprus problem should be to the satisfaction of the interests and security needs of both communities.”

http://www.toplumpostasi.net/index.php/ ... in_ENGLISH

[DT.]

Bravo Erel!

[Nikitas]

It took time, but somebody finally realises the nature of the problem.

[observer]

Turkey intervened to restore the 1960 Constitution. This may be true. It may not be true.

The 1960 Constitution was given a severe wound in 1963, being unilaterally changed by GC leaders, and was killed in 1974 by the GC coup. After the Turkish intervention leaders from both communities met in Zurich. Neither wanted to return to the 1960 Constitution and no pair of community leaders have been able to reach agreement on a new Constitution yet.

Every party involved have ulterior motives, but the above are the basic facts. Until Cypriots agree on a new Constitution and stop blaming outside parties the status quo will remain. And since Cypriots find it so difficult to agree on anything, I expect the status quo to be around for a long time yet.

[Kifeas]

Turkey intervened to restore the 1960 Constitution. This may be true. It may not be true.

The 1960 Constitution was given a severe wound in 1963, being unilaterally changed by GC leaders, and was killed in 1974 by the GC coup. After the Turkish intervention leaders from both communities met in Zurich. Neither wanted to return to the 1960 Constitution and no pair of community leaders have been able to reach agreement on a new Constitution yet.

Every party involved have ulterior motives, but the above are the basic facts. Until Cypriots agree on a new Constitution and stop blaming outside parties the status quo will remain. And since Cypriots find it so difficult to agree on anything, I expect the status quo to be around for a long time yet.

Which are the basic facts, my dear?

If Turkey did not invade "to restore the 1960 Constitution," then for what reason and on what basis did it do so? And who told you that "neither wanted to return to the 1960 Constitution," when the two sides met after the Turkish invasion? The GC side did propose the return to it! Learn your facts, before talking!

[Kifeas]

double entry

[DT.]

double entry

is she ok?

[humanist]

further to that an intervention is that quick and effective 34 year stale mate is not an intervention it is a disaster.

[observer]

Turkey intervened to restore the 1960 Constitution. This may be true. It may not be true.

The 1960 Constitution was given a severe wound in 1963, being unilaterally changed by GC leaders, and was killed in 1974 by the GC coup. After the Turkish intervention leaders from both communities met in Zurich. Neither wanted to return to the 1960 Constitution and no pair of community leaders have been able to reach agreement on a new Constitution yet.

Every party involved have ulterior motives, but the above are the basic facts. Until Cypriots agree on a new Constitution and stop blaming outside parties the status quo will remain. And since Cypriots find it so difficult to agree on anything, I expect the status quo to be around for a long time yet.

Which are the basic facts, my dear?

If Turkey did not invade "to restore the 1960 Constitution," then for what reason and on what basis did it do so? And who told you that "neither wanted to return to the 1960 Constitution," when the two sides met after the Turkish invasion? The GC side did propose the return to it! Learn your facts, before talking!

Denktaş and Klerides told me.

This is the press statement issued by Klerides after the two leaders met in Geneva in August 1974 (I mistakenly said Zurich above - so many conferences!)

Klerides issued the following report:

1. Mr Glafkos Klerides and Mr Rauf Denktaş, having conferred at Geneva between August 10 and 12, 1974, have concluded that a fundamental revision of the governmental system of the Republic of Cyprus is necessary to provide the conditions in which the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities will be able to coexist in peace in the Republic with an utter and mutual confidence that the security of all will be safeguarded. They have agreed that this revision will result in the establishment of a system based on the existence of two autonomous administrations within suitable boundaries, united under a central government. They have also agreed that these changes will be effected within the framework of a sovereign, independent and united Cyprus Republic.
2. Mr Klerides and Mr Denktaş have moreover agreed:
a. To hold discussions between them in Nicosia in order to elaborate, as a matter of immediate urgency, the constitutional structure envisaged in the above paragraph.
b. To report to the Foreign Ministers of Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, at a further meeting to be held on 1st September 1974, on the conclusions reached.

Denktaş made a similar statement which I can post if you want.

[Nikitas]

"a fundamental revision of the governmental system of the Republic of Cyprus is necessary to provide the conditions in which the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities will be able to coexist "

The use of the word Republic shows that there was an implicit desire to retain the Republic of Cyprus and simply make changes to the system of government, which was already figured out in the 1973 negotiations between Denktash and Clerides. Something which changed 48 hours later. Someone was being tricky or did Dentktash express something not approved by Turkey?