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[observer]

This whole article is delusional.

The statement that there is only one people made up of two communities is politicians gobblygook. What does it mean? How does it differ from the statement that there are two different peoples?

The last sentence saying that TCs rejected the UN peace plan at a referendum in 2004 is, of course, just plain wrong.

The UK has one people and many communities. The have a single sovreignty, single voice and a shit load of differing cultures. Is that just too difficult to comprehend.

Cyprus is one, one voice, one government, one sovereignty, but it can house many communities.

Thats called democracy in case the Northern illegal section have never heard of it before.

Unlike mama that keeps getting taken down when the generals see fit!

Thanks and have a nice day.

Thank you.

I think that many Scots, Welsh and Irish, let alone the English, would disagree that the United Kingdom has one people by your definition. They have, however, chosen to unite under a series of agreements that have changed over the years. Scotland and N. Ireland have their own parliament, and Wales has an assembly of its own.

A sort of QQF – Quadrilateral, Quadzonal Federation!

I also think that events, both past and present, have demonstrated that Cyprus does not have one voice.

[DT.]

This whole article is delusional.

The statement that there is only one people made up of two communities is politicians gobblygook. What does it mean? How does it differ from the statement that there are two different peoples?

The last sentence saying that TCs rejected the UN peace plan at a referendum in 2004 is, of course, just plain wrong.

The UK has one people and many communities. The have a single sovreignty, single voice and a shit load of differing cultures. Is that just too difficult to comprehend.

Cyprus is one, one voice, one government, one sovereignty, but it can house many communities.

Thats called democracy in case the Northern illegal section have never heard of it before.

Unlike mama that keeps getting taken down when the generals see fit!

Thanks and have a nice day.

Thank you.

I think that many Scots, Welsh and Irish, let alone the English, would disagree that the United Kingdom has one people by your definition. They have, however, chosen to unite under a series of agreements that have changed over the years. Scotland and N. Ireland have their own parliament, and Wales has an assembly of its own.

A sort of QQF – Quadrilateral, Quadzonal Federation!

I also think that events, both past and present, have demonstrated that Cyprus does not have one voice.

That sounds great then. Why don't we copy this model and adopt a first past the post system of democracy for all (irrespective of ethnic background) and let the Nicosia govt decide for itself what autonomy the other communities can have over time.

[humanist]

because the TC's and Turks do not want unification end of story

[observer]

This whole article is delusional.

The statement that there is only one people made up of two communities is politicians gobblygook. What does it mean? How does it differ from the statement that there are two different peoples?

The last sentence saying that TCs rejected the UN peace plan at a referendum in 2004 is, of course, just plain wrong.

There is a difference!

“A people” has the absolute right in international law to exercise an exclusively separate self determination. A community, which is part of a people, does not have such an absolute exclusive and separate self-determination right. Under the 1960 agreements, the TCs, as well as the GCs, have been identified and recognised as communities in Cyprus, both of which together make up the only one people in Cyprus. The theory that in Cyprus there are two separate people is a Turkish /TC invention, in order to be used as a "facilitating tool" to their ambition and aim in forming a separate "nation-state" in the north of Cyprus, on the basis of stolen land and properties from the ethnically cleansed majority of the indigenous population (GCs) in the part of Cyprus that came under Turkish occupation in 1974.

How strange. Denktaş would be right with you on your first sentence. And it was primarily the GC leadership who brought about the collapse of the 1960 Constitution by denying the TC community their rights guaranteed by that Constitution, and demanding their right as Hellenic people to unite with Greece.

As for different people being a TC invention, this forum and the majority of GC sites is littered with references to Hellenic this and Hellenic that. I am certainly no Hellenic. Nor is any TC.

[Nikitas]

Denktash has agreed, on more than one occasion, that there is no separate right of self determination of GC and TCs. If we go on that track then we are going to end up in 1949 not 2008.

[denizaksulu]

seconded by his dellussion.

Cyprus unification talks stalling
Disagreements over the degree of autonomy to be granted to Cyprus's two rival communities are stalling talks to reunite the island," Cypriot President Demetris Christofias said Tuesday.

"We believe there is one people made up of two communities, whereas the leader of the Turkish Cypriots is talking about two different peoples. That's a significant obstacle," Christofias said.

He explained that the Greek Cypriot community would never accept a confederation.

The UN brokered talks on reunification of Cyprus have been renewed after four-year stalemate. In 2004, Turkish Cypriots rejected the UN peace plan at a referendum.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/3872/46/

"One people and two communities". I cant believe that. Perhaps something has got lost in translation.

[Kifeas]

This whole article is delusional.

The statement that there is only one people made up of two communities is politicians gobblygook. What does it mean? How does it differ from the statement that there are two different peoples?

The last sentence saying that TCs rejected the UN peace plan at a referendum in 2004 is, of course, just plain wrong.

There is a difference!

“A people” has the absolute right in international law to exercise an exclusively separate self determination. A community, which is part of a people, does not have such an absolute exclusive and separate self-determination right. Under the 1960 agreements, the TCs, as well as the GCs, have been identified and recognised as communities in Cyprus, both of which together make up the only one people in Cyprus. The theory that in Cyprus there are two separate people is a Turkish /TC invention, in order to be used as a "facilitating tool" to their ambition and aim in forming a separate "nation-state" in the north of Cyprus, on the basis of stolen land and properties from the ethnically cleansed majority of the indigenous population (GCs) in the part of Cyprus that came under Turkish occupation in 1974.

How strange. Denktaş would be right with you on your first sentence. And it was primarily the GC leadership who brought about the collapse of the 1960 Constitution by denying the TC community their rights guaranteed by that Constitution, and demanding their right as Hellenic people to unite with Greece.

As for different people being a TC invention, this forum and the majority of GC sites is littered with references to Hellenic this and Hellenic that. I am certainly no Hellenic. Nor is any TC.

Observer, no matter how much and loud you may cry for it, you do not constitute a separate people in Cyprus, and there is no international body, organisation or authority that has or will ever recognise to such a very much desired privilege!

You do not constitute a separate people in Cyprus because:

(a.) You did not historically, and do not legally do now, posses any separate and exclusive territory of Cyprus, which by virtue of historical heritage or exclusive majority inhabitation, has or is ever been Turkish or TC!

(b.) Apart from the last 34 years, in which an artificial separation due to an illegal occupation and ethnic cleansing by Turkey has existed, you have always been a community living together and among a larger group of other communities, which all together form one people, the people of the island of Cyprus!

(c.) If you were to constitute a separate people, then the same should hold true for every single community that lives among a larger population, in all countries of the world. For example, the Greek, Irish, Italian, Hispanic or Afro Americans or Australians, more so the Kurds of Turkey, would also be able to claim the same thing, i.e. that they constitute separate peoples, and therefore demand an exclusive and separate self-determination right!

There is a lot of garbage your leadership in the occupied north, and that of Turkey, have been feeding you for very many years, but fortunately (or unfortunately for you,) the truth of the matter is quite different to what they spoon fed you to believe! The truth and the fact of law is what I have explained to you above!

[Kifeas]

seconded by his dellussion.

Cyprus unification talks stalling
Disagreements over the degree of autonomy to be granted to Cyprus's two rival communities are stalling talks to reunite the island," Cypriot President Demetris Christofias said Tuesday.

"We believe there is one people made up of two communities, whereas the leader of the Turkish Cypriots is talking about two different peoples. That's a significant obstacle," Christofias said.

He explained that the Greek Cypriot community would never accept a confederation.

The UN brokered talks on reunification of Cyprus have been renewed after four-year stalemate. In 2004, Turkish Cypriots rejected the UN peace plan at a referendum.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/3872/46/

"One people and two communities". I cant believe that. Perhaps something has got lost in translation.

Why you can't believe that, Deniz? This has always been the GC position! Are you only now discovering this?

[denizaksulu]

seconded by his dellussion.

Cyprus unification talks stalling
Disagreements over the degree of autonomy to be granted to Cyprus's two rival communities are stalling talks to reunite the island," Cypriot President Demetris Christofias said Tuesday.

"We believe there is one people made up of two communities, whereas the leader of the Turkish Cypriots is talking about two different peoples. That's a significant obstacle," Christofias said.

He explained that the Greek Cypriot community would never accept a confederation.

The UN brokered talks on reunification of Cyprus have been renewed after four-year stalemate. In 2004, Turkish Cypriots rejected the UN peace plan at a referendum.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/3872/46/

"One people and two communities". I cant believe that. Perhaps something has got lost in translation.

Why you can't believe that, Deniz? This has always been the GC position! Are you only now discovering this?

No Kifeas. Someone of his 'stature' in the middle of 'supposed' negotiations makes a remark like that. He makes bad politicians look good. I wonder where from in Turkey does his speech maker hail from.

[Kifeas]

seconded by his dellussion.

Cyprus unification talks stalling
Disagreements over the degree of autonomy to be granted to Cyprus's two rival communities are stalling talks to reunite the island," Cypriot President Demetris Christofias said Tuesday.

"We believe there is one people made up of two communities, whereas the leader of the Turkish Cypriots is talking about two different peoples. That's a significant obstacle," Christofias said.

He explained that the Greek Cypriot community would never accept a confederation.

The UN brokered talks on reunification of Cyprus have been renewed after four-year stalemate. In 2004, Turkish Cypriots rejected the UN peace plan at a referendum.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/3872/46/

"One people and two communities". I cant believe that. Perhaps something has got lost in translation.

Why you can't believe that, Deniz? This has always been the GC position! Are you only now discovering this?

No Kifeas. Someone of his 'stature' in the middle of 'supposed' negotiations makes a remark like that. He makes bad politicians look good. I wonder where from in Turkey does his speech maker hail from.

Can you be more specific?