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ARCHILLES

It is ACHILLES if you dont mind, thanks

First of all, you are defining turkish wrongly. In modern times, turkish doesnt mean a mongolian tribe. It means poeple who speak Turkish and have some common cultural bacground, generally moderate muslim, also limitedly affected by old turkic culture and race.

This is irrelevant. I am talking about where the ancestors of the Ottomans and the majority of modern TUrks came from.

As a Turkish Cypriot I dont look like a Mongolian but more like an Albanian probably which is completely ok.

You make it sound as if being or looking like a Mongolian is a curse. If this is you implication, allow me to disagree. Same goes with looking like an Albanian, as far as i am concerned. I do not really see the issue here.

It is completely ridiculous to say that Turklsh in western Trace well joined to the rest of the society. They have suffered a lot especially until 90ties. They havent been allowed to repair their own houses. Their leader died in a car "accident". They have been forced to study Turkish books left from 50ties. Now because of EU, they are relatively better.

This is a very biased and misleading statement. All minorities have problems adapting smoothly to any society. Look at the United States a few decades ago, just to name one example to comes to mind. The major issues have overcomes and now they are operating quite smoothly within the Greek society. And i will refrain from commenting on how mainland Turkey has been treating its ethnic minorities for centuries and centuries. Shall i remind you of the young-turks?
A humble suggestion is that its always a good thing to be self-critical before judging others with the most strict criteria on 'treating ethnic minorities'.

Even today, it is forbidden to use "Turkish" in the name of any society name in an EU country. They are forced to accept that they are "greek muslims!!!" if such a thing ever existed in the history.

Two quick comments. A good number of credible historical sources present Oddyseas Androutsos, a true hero of the Greek Revolution, to be an original muslim in terms of religious stance. Yet, he fought ferociously against the Ottoman rule. Are you still positive that such a thing never existed in history?
One more thing: a 'Greek muslim' can be though of as a Greek citizen who practices Islam. His ethnic origin is a different story but lets not get lost in semantics here, shall we?

But your point lies in one sentence. "They are the result of ottoman invasion". Yes, turkish are living in cyprus and istanbul because of ottoman invasion too. That is a fact and another fact is that most of the pople living in the world today live there because of some invasion. You need to digest that.

You call me a lier but you fail to pinpoint where exactly the lie is. In fact, you corroborate what i say. Read your post again.
And i never claimed that i have not digested the fact the Constantinople, the Minor Asia coastline, Pontos and Northern Cyprus are no longer under Greek control.

And a thing called "Kurdistan" was never there
since the ancient times. They always joined to the society next to them.
To the turkish if they are in anotolia, to the persians if persia ....

One way or another, its their land either we like it or not.

Please tell me there are how many Turkish person who are in high positions in Greece.

This looks like a not-very-bright question...can you please explain to me what do you mean by 'high positions' and under which criteria a Turk could have occupied one?

Thanks in advance.

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[achilles]

These people in Greece can not call themselves Turkish

This looks like another fine piece of Turkish whinning.

Those people can call themselves whatever they like. I MYSELF call them Turks and have no problem if they introduce themselves to me as Turks. Yet, they are citizens of the Greek state and as such their citizenship is GREEK. I dont think this is tough to grasp.

Last time i checked,a Greek living in Constantinople is a Turkish citizen.

[achilles]

Name some high ranking Christians in Turkey then.....

Islam is a joke. Its barbaric, its undemocratic, it promotes paedophilia, rape and oppression of women - It in incompatible with Greek Society.

NO TO MOSQUE IN ATHENS!

I can understand your passionate patriotism but they way you argue noone is taking you seriously. Think about it.

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[achilles]

This is not what your courts say though Achilles,

Just recently two Turkish organizations in western Thrace is closed by yoru courts because they have the word Turkish in their title.


p.s. For those who support Lausanne Treaty wholeheartedly. It says in that treaty territorial sea limits in Aegean should not exceed 3 miles. Greece had increased this to 6 miles and claims that it’s her right to increase it to 12 miles (which lies at the heart of the whole argument of Aegean problem. Another one of selective application of past treaties I guess.

First, the fact that semantics is such a big issue for you guys goes beyond my understanding. The fact that they are Greek citizens should be respected, and perhaps they should learn how to identify themselves as Greeks of Turkish ethnic origin. Until the law changes, they should comply with it. Simple as that. Again, i see no self-criticism here in regards to 'treating ethnic minorities'.

What is important for me is that the Turkish minority is represented in the Greek Parliament, among other things.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Good Evening Ladies and Gentle men

Topic ? In an earlier post I have expressed my admiration for Greek Propoganda. I think the article is a brilliant piece of work. My sincerest cogtratulations to the creators of such a fine piece of prose. They are good. Nearly as good as the Armenians.

I once suggeted to a high ranking American officer that if required, GC's could probably get satellite pictures of the army bases in KKTC in a week.

"NO, that's not true! he said. " Half an hour AND in colour".

We under-estimate the Greek Lobby in Washington. Thankfully we have been ably assisted by Mr Papadopoulos who, having agreed to implement or at least support any plan that Mr Annan came up with, publicly decried the worthiness of the plan and urged the public to vote NO. Another BRILLIANT move(but not on par with the students) I had not apprec iated that he was on the TC side.

Nice to see Athens and Istanbul posting.

If I may Mr Murtaza I would like to say that I enjoyed reading your post for the intelligence and sincerity I found there. Thank You

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unfortunatly turkcyp you have left out a few things,in 1932 there was a increase in waters from greece turkey immediatly followed suite,so in respect the treaty was changed per a agreement from BOTH SIDES.concerning going to 12 miles the 1982 treaty of seas which greece is a signatorer supercedes the treaty of lausaune.

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p.s. For those who support Lausanne Treaty wholeheartedly. It says in that treaty territorial sea limits in Aegean should not exceed 3 miles. Greece had increased this to 6 miles and claims that it’s her right to increase it to 12 miles (which lies at the heart of the whole argument of Aegean problem. Another one of selective application of past treaties I guess.

3 miles from what point? Athens?? Crete? Samos?

and I think part of the Aegean fighterjet problem is that Turkish jets have been flying close to Athens...even up to the island of Andros...whic if you look on a map is not very far from Athens at all. Now, dont you think Greece has the right to shoot these jets down if they consistantly ignore the Aegean borders?

[magikthrill]

Now, dont you think Greece has the right to shoot these jets down if they consistantly ignore the Aegean borders?

haha yeah right
that would require greece to aqcuire some balls first.