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[boulio]

the muslims of greece and in specificaly in western thrace are in part turkish however there are also pomaks and roma who are muslim as well.the treaty of lausaunse in part recognized this minority as muslim,for this group to be going to court and losing is only logical as greece is doing nothing wrong by fowlling the treaty of lausaune.i see many turks here keep bring up the turks of crete,what about the greek of imvroz and tenedos who were completly wiped off there respective islands?in comparison of populations they were a much larger community in comparison to the turks of crete and the cypriot turks.

[detailer]

I am asking again, Tell me some high position "Greek Muslim!!!" guys in Greece. They havent joined the society at all.

Yes crete is a good example for what may happen to TC.

Actually what your dicscussions also reveal another interesting point:
If TC are once dominantly governed by GC, They will be forced to accept that they are "Muslim Cypriots!!!" and declared like that to the outside world. That's why we want poltical equality and some autonomy in our part.

[detailer]

Well I can start to name many places in greece which were mainly Turkish before 1910. That's not the point here.

These people in Greece can not call themselves Turkish.
They can not use the word "Turkish" even in any simple organisation name. Lousanne is not the ultimate agreement. Greece has been EU member for 2 decades and supposed to be democratic.

[boulio]

Well I can start to name many places in greece which were mainly Turkish before 1910. That's not the point here.

These people in Greece can not call themselves Turkish.
They can not use the word "Turkish" even in any simple organisation name. Lousanne is not the ultimate agreement. Greece has been EU member for 2 decades and supposed to be democratic.

unfortunatly the greek of imvroz and tenedos were expelled from there homes in the 1960's and 1970's my friend not before 1910.what exactly isd your point?

actually it is the ultimate agreement since when greece signed the asseciotion agreement to the EU all treaties that it had signed also asceeded into the eu as well.if the muslim greeks of thrace want the have remedy to go to the ehrc and sue greece for there name.greece could have easielly expelled these people to turkey but they did not,there were 150,000-200,000 greeks in istanbul in the 1950's were are they now?you condem greece for not allowing the muslims of thrace to name there cafe the "turkish cafe of komotini",what should the greeks of istanbul,imvroz,tenedos say and do?

[detailer]

Well I never said that Turkey didnt do any mistakes.

You can imagine I dont know the greek names of these islands and it wouldnt be kind if I use Turkish names for the places in Greece.

And Lousaane is not the ultimate agreement. Many things which EU wants Turkey to do now conflict with Lousanne. I am trying to concentrate on the current situation now not the past. Concentaring on how greeks percieve turkish and turkish percieve greeks. Otherwise there were many mistakes in the past.

[turkcyp]

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[Murtaza]

[quote="boulio
unfortunatly the greek of imvroz and tenedos were expelled from there homes in the 1960's and 1970's my friend not before 1910.what exactly isd your point?

actually it is the ultimate agreement since when greece signed the asseciotion agreement to the EU all treaties that it had signed also asceeded into the eu as well.if the muslim greeks of thrace want the have remedy to go to the ehrc and sue greece for there name.greece could have easielly expelled these people to turkey but they did not,there were 150,000-200,000 greeks in istanbul in the 1950's were are they now?you condem greece for not allowing the muslims of thrace to name there cafe the "turkish cafe of komotini",what should the greeks of istanbul,imvroz,tenedos say and do?[/quote]

Well acording to Lousanne agreement There is not Greek in Turkey.Just Christian. Peh

Burn the agreement

So Both goverments and peoples cant hide after of this agreement.

By The way. They can call them greek If they want.
And it looks like me a little weird. When you accuse Ottoman empire for the Harming minority right; Greece dont give(at the time of Humanity idea rise its peak.) the same right to turks that Ottoman gived(at the emperial times,when to genoside and destroy a city calm a normal act.) to Greeks.

[brother]

[Murtaza]

Call a normal act:)

[detailer]

Turkcpy,

It is a nice dream there was nothing called turkish and greek and there was no difference between people. But the world does not work like that.
In reality, what Kifeas is saying can not work.

The most important problem in Cyprus I think that GC dont accept that TC exist as a different entity with their own culture, language and religion (I dont mean that there are no main similarities)

They tend to assume that we are just a minority which should be absorbed to "cypriot" community. I can accept that one day real Cypriot identity can exist over all ethnic groups in Cyprus. That will be good for our grandchildren but I dont want this in the expense of being called "Muslim Cypriot" and GC are not ready for the otherwise I think.