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[Chrisswirl]

I think main problem is firstly Greece armed this island (against the treatry so it is illegal) than now want to expand its territory.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Turkey's treatment of the Constantinople (Istanbul) Greeks (to the extent that they barely exist today) is against the treaty, is it not? Be it in the past or not.

Did the Greeks arm Imia? Or are we talking about Kastelorizo? I'm lost!

Greece does not claim any land in Anatolia or any land that isn't Greek. I beleive the only claims are for the protection of the Greek minorities in Northern Epirus, Constantinople (Istanbul), Tenedos and Imvros. Speaking of which, what happened to...

Imvros and Tenedos are two small islands in Northern Aegean Sea between Greece and Turkey, strategically located outside the Straits of the Dardanelles, the only communication between the Black Sea and the Mediterranean. In 1923, after the end of a war between Greece and Turkey, the two countries signed the Treaty of Lausanne, which, among other things, provided for the handing over of these two islands to Turkey, even though at that time they were under the control of Greece and their population had always been exclusively Greek. The reason for such provision was purely geopolitical, i.e. to secure control of the Straits by Turkey. In exchange the Treaty (article 14 and articles 37-44 of the 3rd section) provided for a special administrative status of the islands that guaranteed protection of life and property, free use of the native language (Greek), religious freedom, and generally all human rights. These articles of the Treaty were considered "Basic Laws", which, it was agreed, Turkey would have no right to abrogate through any other law, regulation or administrative act.

Why are the Greeks a minority there now? You say Greece wanted to expand territory but look how Turkey has expanded in recent history...

[-mikkie2-]

The simple answer is that Turkey does not recognise the Treaty of Laussane! Amongst other things, the treaty I believe dealt with Cyprus and its permanent handing over to the British as well as the Aegean issues.

[garbitsch]

Do you recognise the Treaty? You are not supposed to arm the Aegean islands...

[Chrisswirl]

Thus neither country has stuck to the treaty, but which has wronged it most?

[Murtaza]

I think main problem is firstly Greece armed this island (against the treatry so it is illegal) than now want to expand its territory.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Turkey's treatment of the Constantinople (Istanbul) Greeks (to the extent that they barely exist today) is against the treaty, is it not? Be it in the past or not.

It looks like we apply treaty just what we want. Arent we? Yes It is against the treaty too.
Problem is when I accept this, Greeks wont accept anything they did wrong.Just try to justify their doing.

Did the Greeks arm Imia? Or are we talking about Kastelorizo? I'm lost!

Is it important which island is armed?
You can arm Kasteloriz if you want, or imia.

Greece does not claim any land in Anatolia or any land that isn't Greek. I beleive the only claims are for the protection of the Greek minorities in Northern Epirus, Constantinople (Istanbul), Tenedos and Imvros. Speaking of which, what happened to...

Yes they dont claim any land. They just claim territories in sea. Dont know when they want to Izmır and İstanbul. And I dont ever think Ankara was a helenictic place too. And they are not greek minorities. They are christian minority.(Remember this in Greek)

Imvros and Tenedos are two small islands in Northern Aegean Sea between Greece and Turkey, strategically located outside the Straits of the Dardanelles, the only communication between the Black Sea and the Mediterranean. In 1923, after the end of a war between Greece and Turkey, the two countries signed the Treaty of Lausanne, which, among other things, provided for the handing over of these two islands to Turkey, even though at that time they were under the control of Greece and their population had always been exclusively Greek. The reason for such provision was purely geopolitical, i.e. to secure control of the Straits by Turkey. In exchange the Treaty (article 14 and articles 37-44 of the 3rd section) provided for a special administrative status of the islands that guaranteed protection of life and property, free use of the native language (Greek), religious freedom, and generally all human rights. These articles of the Treaty were considered "Basic Laws", which, it was agreed, Turkey would have no right to abrogate through any other law, regulation or administrative act.

Why are the Greeks a minority there now? You say Greece wanted to expand territory but look how Turkey has expanded in recent history...

LOL is this a joke? You came anatolia you try to take half of the Turkey. And again we are the who want to expand our teritories. What would be if we lose the war? Will greece wont expand her territories? She just came Anatolia for a trip and some killing?

This is most double faced thesis I ever saw. Want to take half of Anatolia, and accuse us because we take two island.

[Murtaza]

Thus neither country has stuck to the treaty, but which has wronged it most?

Lets count. Which of us made more crime.
Then after this we can make a peace.
Oh but we cant. Because we cannt even agree meaning of crimes.

I am sorry but how will you live with harmony in Cyprus? When you are counting the crimes?

And be sure I want a unifed cyprus too.
It benefits Turkey too.

[Kifeas]

Thus neither country has stuck to the treaty, but which has wronged it most?

Lets count. Which of us made more crime.
Then after this we can make a peace.
Oh but we cant. Because we cannt even agree meaning of crimes.

I am sorry but how will you live with harmony in Cyprus? When you are counting the crimes?

And be sure I want a unifed cyprus too.
It benefits Turkey too.

How does it benefit Turkey?

[Murtaza]

Thus neither country has stuck to the treaty, but which has wronged it most?

Lets count. Which of us made more crime.
Then after this we can make a peace.
Oh but we cant. Because we cannt even agree meaning of crimes.

I am sorry but how will you live with harmony in Cyprus? When you are counting the crimes?

And be sure I want a unifed cyprus too.
It benefits Turkey too.

How does it benefit Turkey?

In fact what I think about cyprus is that.
Cyprus is a pain in ass for Turkey.
Politically. It rules 70 000 000 life. And will rule.
If The cyprus problem wont be solved, Turkey will sacrifice his EU membership.

But dont misunderstood. You should make agreement with TC.
Without TC approval, Turkey do nothing. Just be sure ,without approval of Talat, Erdogan can do nothing. Do you realy think Turkey love problems?
Ah no thanks we have enough already.

[Kifeas]

In fact what I think about cyprus is that.
Cyprus is a pain in ass for Turkey.
Politically. It rules 70 000 000 life. And will rule.
If The cyprus problem wont be solved, Turkey will sacrifice his EU membership.

But dont misunderstood. You should make agreement with TC.
Without TC approval, Turkey do nothing. Just be sure ,without approval of Talat, Erdogan can do nothing. Do you realy think Turkey love problems?
Ah no thanks we have enough already.

Well! Theoretically what you say is correct. In practice however, the TCs, having the feeling of powerful Turkey and its occupation army behind them, are making such demands that it is almost impossible to be accommodated by the GCs.
Furthermore, even if TCs and GCs could agree, this will not be sufficient for Turkey. Turkey wants to continue its presence and her intervention "rights" in Cyprus because according to her military Generals, Cyprus posses a very critical strategic importance for the "security" of Turkey. And as Denktash once said, “even if not one single TC existed on Cyprus, turkey should have invented them, in order to have an excuse to be present militarily on the island.”

[Murtaza]

In fact what I think about cyprus is that.
Cyprus is a pain in ass for Turkey.
Politically. It rules 70 000 000 life. And will rule.
If The cyprus problem wont be solved, Turkey will sacrifice his EU membership.

But dont misunderstood. You should make agreement with TC.
Without TC approval, Turkey do nothing. Just be sure ,without approval of Talat, Erdogan can do nothing. Do you realy think Turkey love problems?
Ah no thanks we have enough already.

Well! Theoretically what you say is correct. In practice however, the TCs, having the feeling of powerful Turkey and its occupation army behind them, are making such demands that it is almost impossible to be accommodated by the GCs.
Furthermore, even if TCs and GCs could agree, this will not be sufficient for Turkey. Turkey wants to continue its presence and her intervention "rights" in Cyprus because according to her military Generals, Cyprus posses a very critical strategic importance for the "security" of Turkey. And as Denktash once said, “even if not one single TC existed on Cyprus, turkey should have invented them, in order to have an excuse to be present militarily on the island.”

Yeah I think Denktas said if for TC not Turkiye. He is leader of TC not Turkey.And I think even Greece have all island, Turkey can take it back in one week.And I dont see TC and GC agree. What do you think? If TC say we wont want Turkey anymore in Island , Turkey still stay that place?
and Another point Turks in Turkey dont act with their mind but with their heart(Because of this 200 000 life can rule 60 000 000 life). So They realy realy need TC GC agreement. Without it nothing can be done.