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[Chrisswirl]

Don't forget the Lady of Ro, the woman who lived on the Western most of the small islands (Ro), and every day woke up to raise the Greek flag on the island, until very recently when she passed away. Why should Turkey claim this island? If Turkey starts eating away at Greek soil, soon the Turkish islets would surround Greek islands, and Turkey could contest those islands, and then Turkish islands would surround the Greek mainland.. etc.

[garbitsch]

There are many small isles, islets and rocks in the Aegean, status of which are not delimited by the territorial waters of neither Turkey nor Greece, and international treaties do not determine their ownership.

So Kardak belongs neither to Greece nor to Turkey! There is nothing wrong if Turkey shows reaction to the Greek claims!

No but there is something very wrong if turkey provokes by adding their flag on the island.

Who did put the flag first? If Turkey did, then she is %100 wrong, if Greece did, then the latter is wrong.

[Murtaza]

http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_htm/croatia.htm[img]

Look some map.
I wont waste my time for this childish game. and wont look more map

Don't forget the Lady of Ro, the woman who lived on the Western most of the small islands (Ro), and every day woke up to raise the Greek flag on the island, until very recently when she passed away. Why should Turkey claim this island? If Turkey starts eating away at Greek soil, soon the Turkish islets would surround Greek islands, and Turkey could contest those islands, and then Turkish islands would surround the Greek mainland.. etc.

It was not the Turkey who want to expand his territories to 12 miles (and then Greek islands would surround the Turkish mainland) but Greece. And it is also greece who armed his Island agains the Treatment.
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[garbitsch]

Murtaza, if Greece extends its territory to 12 miles, then Turkish people should ask for an exception for Schengen visas, since they will always need one when they want to swim in the Aegean sea!

[Kifeas]

Murtaza, if Greece extends its territory to 12 miles, then Turkish people should ask for an exception for Schengen visas, since they will always need one when they want to swim in the Aegean sea!

Why do you say that garbitsch? This is simply not a correct statement.
The East most Greek islands, right from north down to south, are closer to the Turkish coast than the 12 or even 6 miles, in nearly all cases. In such a case, when the two coastlines are closer than the maximum territorial water limit, then the mid-point between the two coasts is taken. Even if Greece expands it's territorial waters to 12 miles, absolutely nothing will change as far as the current Turkish waters along the Turkish coastline are concerned. What will only be affected are the international waters in the middle of the Aegean sea. I do not think that Turkish swimmers can swim that far from the Turkish coast, in order for their swimming rights to be affected.

The real issue here is the use of the international waters in the middle of the Aegean, for potential oil exploitation. If Greece expands its waters to 12 miles, the amount of international waters will be reduced and therefore Turkey will not have the chance to make any use of them.

[Murtaza]

Murtaza, if Greece extends its territory to 12 miles, then Turkish people should ask for an exception for Schengen visas, since they will always need one when they want to swim in the Aegean sea!

Well I dont like swimming np for me. But I think main problem is firstly Greece armed this island (against the treatry so it is illegal) than now want to expand its territory.

If Turkey did this , I am sure all greeks will begin to say how Turkey is provocative. But because Greece want this. It becomes right.

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A Turkish bulk carrier ran ashore the Kardak/Imia rocks on 25 December, 1995. As the maritime boundary between Turkey and Greece has never been thoroughly defined, during the salvage operations of the ship, the sovereignty issue over these islets arose. This issue had not been discussed at any time in either the Greek or Turkish media, or had never been a matter of dispute in the sometimes tender political climate between these countries earlier.

The event was not known to neither the Greek nor the Turkish public until a month later, when the Greek periodical GRAMMA ran a story on 20 January, 1996, one day after Costas Simitis was appointed to form the new Greek government as prime minister. The article brought severe reaction from the Greek press, which was followed by the mayor of Kalymnos and a priest hoisting up a Greek flag on the rocks on 26 January, which held no man-made constructions. As opposed to this action, some Turkish journalists and TV anchors flew to the islet with a helicopter and raised a Turkish flag, bringing down the Greek one, the whole events being broadcast live on Turkish television stations. In 24 hours, by 30 January, the Greek navy changed the flag, which resulted in exchange of fierce statements lead by the Turkish Prime Minister Tansu Ciller and the Greek Prime Minister Simitis. A Greek helicopter crashed (some speculating due to Turkish fire), but this was concealed by both states http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/pdf/Greek-Turkish-Media.PDF to prevent further escalation. Turkish and Greek naval forces were alerted and warships of both countries, both NATO members, sailed to the islets.

So it is a priest who first put flag.

[magikthrill]

I thought Nato supported these military installements no?

[Murtaza]

I thought Nato supported these military installements no?

Dont know about it. But Turkey is against them. And asked before remove these military installements. Dont idea how Nato feel about it.
But agreements made with Turkey not Nato.

[magikthrill]

http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_htm/croatia.htm[img]

Look some map.
I wont waste my time for this childish game. and wont look more map

lol. i dont have time for your arguments either. and heres a map of gambia:

[Murtaza]

http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_htm/croatia.htm[img]

Look some map.
I wont waste my time for this childish game. and wont look more map

lol. i dont have time for your arguments either. and heres a map of gambia:

lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Too fair
I lost:)

Take the island