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[achilles]

Oh so protecting our flag should be an honour. Its up to Greeks to avoid further similar incidents in the future. Are we agree? But I think not.

I guess you are talking about this:

What does shooting down a fully armed Turkish F-16 violating the Greek airspace, have to do with shooting a civilian who, mistakenly not doubt, attempted to bring down your flag?

Yep, we definitely disagree

[Murtaza]

Oh so protecting our flag should be an honour. Its up to Greeks to avoid further similar incidents in the future. Are we agree? But I think not.

I guess you are talking about this:

What does shooting down a fully armed Turkish F-16 violating the Greek airspace, have to do with shooting a civilian who, mistakenly not doubt, attempted to bring down your flag?

Yep, we definitely disagree

If there is not a war between countries what is the difference from a civilian and a army? War make difference for civilians and army. If there is not a war, there is not difference between a civilian and soldier.Difference is just the job they work. And I think this Pilot also mistakenly (not doubt) enter the free territories area(Greece call it his area). So it looks like to much mistakes we do. And too less mistake we forgive.

[achilles]

If there is not a war between countries what is the difference from a civilian and a army? War make difference for civilians and army. If there is not a war, there is not difference between a civilian and soldier.Difference is just the job they work. And I think this Pilot also mistakenly (not doubt) enter the free territories area(Greece call it his area). So it looks like to much mistakes we do. And too less mistake we forgive.

You basically claim that during times of peace there is no difference between killing a soldier and a civilian during the outbreak of a crisis. Allow me to not endorse this absurd claim.

Yet , i agree in that we both forgive far less than we comit mistakes.

[Murtaza]

"You basically claim that during times of peace there is no difference between killing a soldier and a civilian during the outbreak of a crisis"

This is completely what I claim. without declaration of war, you cant kill armies of country you have crisis. And in war mostly civilian killed. and I civilian you try to attack Flag of other country will shoot too. Noone will care if he is civilian or not in war. So war is the most important point. Without war both of us are guilty. So stop to make proud with your guilty acts. By the way, is ROC have a peace with Turkey(Just curiosity nothing implied)?

[MicAtCyp]

You are right! If the 12 miles overlap you divide in the middle. But still dividing in the middle just open the map and look and you will see that if Greece unitarily increase to 12 miles there will not be an exit to Turkish ships to international waters from eastern ports. The only place Turkey will have access to international waters would be from south.

I understand what you mean but on the other hand can Greece simply give away her rights? In my opinion the problem is actually bureaucratic, in other words every time the Turkish ships need an exit through Greek waters they will need to ask for licence.This in my opinion can be solved easily by granting a permanent licence to Turkish ships to exit without further bureaucratic procedures. I don't think it's a big issue.
Anyway I am not very familiar with the details of this matter, if you know something more I will be glad to listen.

And by the way only commercial shipping is guaranteed. So military ships are barred.

Wo wow! So this explains it all.... Where would the military ships head towards to in the Aegean?????

[Murtaza]

You are right! If the 12 miles overlap you divide in the middle. But still dividing in the middle just open the map and look and you will see that if Greece unitarily increase to 12 miles there will not be an exit to Turkish ships to international waters from eastern ports. The only place Turkey will have access to international waters would be from south.

I understand what you mean but on the other hand can Greece simply give away her rights? In my opinion the problem is actually bureaucratic, in other words every time the Turkish ships need an exit through Greek waters they will need to ask for licence.This in my opinion can be solved easily by granting a permanent licence to Turkish ships to exit without further bureaucratic procedures. I don't think it's a big issue.
Anyway I am not very familiar with the details of this matter, if you know something more I will be glad to listen.

And by the way only commercial shipping is guaranteed. So military ships are barred.

Wo wow! So this explains it all.... Where would the military ships head towards to in the Aegean?????

The problem is we dont accept 12 miles limits.And Greece accept this. This is not a bureaucratic problem. This is political.

[garbitsch]

12 miles hmm....if this is going to happen, the Turkish people who will want to swim in Aegean sea will need to carry a valid passport with a Schengen visa in their swimwear pockets!!! Turkish citizens should develop a water proof passports!

[Piratis]

12 miles

So Turkey has less than 12 miles? Or Turkey has 12 miles and demands that Greece should have less? (knowing Turks, I am guessing it is the second)

[Murtaza]

12 miles

So Turkey has less than 12 miles? Or Turkey has 12 miles and demands that Greece should have less? (knowing Turks, I am guessing it is the second)

NO You know Turkey wrong. We want 6 miles stay for both country. Even It is 3 miles before Greece one-sided decision of increase 6 miles. Just dont understand why we are the agressive side, when we want to continue statu quo.

I think Greece should be accused for agresivness, Because she arms his island(against the agrement) and want to expand her territories.(against the agreement again)

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr MittAtCyp

On June 22, 2004, the ECHR unanimously ruled in ‘Aziz vs. Cyprus’ that Ibrahim Aziz’s right to participate in free elections in his place of permanent residency was being violated. The Republic was ordered to pay 3,500 euro to cover costs.

I may have been mistaken in inferring that this gentleman received this money himslelf but it certainly cost RoC