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Postby achilles » Tue May 17, 2005 3:42 pm

metecyp wrote:Why is it apples and oranges? Because Turks in Thrace are much less than Kurds in Turkey? Isn't West Thrace mainly Turkish? If they're the majority in Western Thrace and if you support the idea of self-determination for any ethnic group that is majority in an area, then why can not Turks in Greece have their own country?


Precisely because numbers do matter in that case, as it equally matters to whom each plots of land belongs. Let me explain.
Neither Macedonia nor Thrace belongs to any sort of Turkish minority, any way you look at it. Historically, anthropologically, culturally. The, otherwise welcomed, Turkish minority has been found there as a result of the long lasting occupation of the Ottoman empire.
On the other hand, what is unofficially called 'Kurdistan' has been the land of the Kurdish peoples, even before the Turkomongolic tribes left the plains of Mongolia.

Or you can look at it this way. The Turkish minority of Greece seems to have assimilated quite well within our society, despite sporadic minor problems now and then, in contrast to the Kurds, who still suffer, but to a lesser extent, from Turkish oppression.
To wrap up it, Turks have no foundation-either theoretical or practical- upon which to base any territorial claims or sovereignty, WITHIN Greece. Unfortunately for Turkey this is not the case with the Kurds.
I pressume the above clarifies the distinction between 'apples and oranges'. :wink:

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Postby achilles » Tue May 17, 2005 3:51 pm

metecyp wrote:If they're the majority in Western Thrace


This is one very strong, and as far as i am concerned, erroneous assumption.
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Postby Murtaza » Tue May 17, 2005 4:06 pm

[quote="achilles"][quote="metecyp"]

Or you can look at it this way. The Turkish minority of Greece seems to have assimilated quite well within our society, despite sporadic minor problems now and then, in contrast to the Kurds, who still suffer, but to a lesser extent, from Turkish oppression.
To wrap up it, Turks have no foundation-either theoretical or practical- upon which to base any territorial claims or sovereignty, WITHIN Greece. Unfortunately for Turkey this is not the case with the Kurds.
I pressume the above clarifies the distinction between 'apples and oranges'. :wink:

Well some Turk says "The Kurdish minority of Turkey seem to have assimilated quite well within our society.Even One of them becamed president of Turkey " And some call this people fascist. It looks like apples and oranges become different acording to who look them.
By the way. any Turkish minority president in Greece?
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Postby Murtaza » Tue May 17, 2005 4:08 pm

[quote="achilles"][quote="metecyp"]

Or you can look at it this way. The Turkish minority of Greece seems to have assimilated quite well within our society, despite sporadic minor problems now and then, in contrast to the Kurds, who still suffer, but to a lesser extent, from Turkish oppression.
To wrap up it, Turks have no foundation-either theoretical or practical- upon which to base any territorial claims or sovereignty, WITHIN Greece. Unfortunately for Turkey this is not the case with the Kurds.
I pressume the above clarifies the distinction between 'apples and oranges'. :wink:

Well some Turk says "The Kurdish minority of Turkey seem to have assimilated quite well within our society.Even One of them becamed president of Turkey " And some call this people fascist. It looks like apples and oranges become different acording to who look them.
By the way. any Turkish minority president in Greece?
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Postby gabaston » Tue May 17, 2005 4:12 pm

hey murtaza

welcome.

thats interesting......who was the kurdish turkish president?
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Postby magikthrill » Tue May 17, 2005 4:13 pm

achilles wrote:
metecyp wrote:If they're the majority in Western Thrace


This is one very strong, and as far as i am concerned, erroneous assumption.


there are approximately 100,000 muslim greeks in cyprus. thats less than 1% of the total poluation of the country. im not sure what the percentage of thrace itself is seeing as thrace is not a country but a region of the hellenic republic.
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Postby brother » Tue May 17, 2005 4:16 pm

thats interesting......who was the kurdish turkish president?


Turgut Ozal was a kurd and one of the finest presidents that turkey has had so far.
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Postby gabaston » Tue May 17, 2005 4:19 pm

thankx bro


never knew that.
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Postby Murtaza » Tue May 17, 2005 4:20 pm

Turgut Özal He is Kurdish. And İsmet İnönü should be kurdish but not 100% sure. And have some kurdish politican too. Abdülkadir AKSU, İnterior Minister.Isnt this a little ironic:)
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Postby magikthrill » Tue May 17, 2005 4:20 pm

hey if you cant beat em... join em
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