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[Bananiot]

Kifeas wrote

Insisting for ever on an unattainable BBF reunification agreement -given the grossly illegitimate and unacceptable Turkish /TC demands and claims, allowing in this way time to the other side to gradually and steadily succeed a non-agreed partition on the basis of the 37% of Cyprus they currently illegally occupy; is tantamount to an even higher degree of treason, than a negotiated and agreed partition on the basis of a reduced territory that will more accurately reflect the fair (demographic and property ownership) share of the TC community in Cyprus.

Negotiations on a solution on BBF have only just started and we should give the current process a chance. Those that seem to be in a haste to declare failure of the process, simply exhibit their inherent objections to the solution. We witnessed plenty of this currently and the list is headed by all the columnists of "Simerini" newspaper, the bastion of rejectionism.

Nikitas wrote

If the Annan plan is tempered with EU input and a saner territorial arrangement, and we deal with the guarantees issue then we are not that far apart. But the latest demands of separate jurisdiction in almost every sphere point to another direction.

I could not agree more. I would add time limits too. However, Christofias has to put this on the table. Talat did, before the new round started, but we rejected anything to do with the Annan Plan. This, I reckon, was the cause for Talat putting forward unreasonble demands.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas wrote

Insisting for ever on an unattainable BBF reunification agreement -given the grossly illegitimate and unacceptable Turkish /TC demands and claims, allowing in this way time to the other side to gradually and steadily succeed a non-agreed partition on the basis of the 37% of Cyprus they currently illegally occupy; is tantamount to an even higher degree of treason, than a negotiated and agreed partition on the basis of a reduced territory that will more accurately reflect the fair (demographic and property ownership) share of the TC community in Cyprus.

Negotiations on a solution on BBF have only just started and we should give the current process a chance. Those that seem to be in a haste to declare failure of the process, simply exhibit their inherent objections to the solution. We witnessed plenty of this currently and the list is headed by all the columnists of "Simerini" newspaper, the bastion of rejectionism.

Whatever, Bananiot. I am also a… “rejectionist and “solution-phobic!” I suggest you learn to do some “lateral thinking,” or at least some …studying on it.

[EPSILON]

There is a need to remove all foreign flags from Cyprus.
There is a need to also teach our Dialect at schools
There is a need to keep & promote the Gold and Green Colours to all the Government buildings, and Government assets. Post office have the Green and Gold.
Some Government department do and some don't.
Police Stations and Cars should also adopt the colours in some way. Government employees in Uniforms should also have insignia or uniforms with our nations official colours
Which other Government department do not use the colours i do not recall right now....

Item 1: can not be done (in regards to Greek and Turkish flags) since same is a provision of independence treaty.
Item 2: You are suggesting, in addition to your proposal to create a new Nation (Ethnicity) from nowhere, to create also a language from nowhare.
You look worst than Skopjie as policy maker.!!!

Question: why Turkish side insisting on two different states (Turkish/Greek Cypriots) which to cooperate in the unbrella of a weak central government? May be they are stupids? Finally, following your theories. the solution will refer to the Turkish Cypriots and their state which came into agreement with Cypriots of no Ethnicity.

One day you, "neo cypriots" in G side you will wake up - you will understand what does it means to reject your history/Ethnicity/language/culture.And on top, per your theory ,to not speak a language but a kind of milk shake expressions.

Personally i have been convisted that many G/cs mixed up the words EOKAB/FANATICS ETC with the word HELLINAS.(Greek).

[miltiades]

I think all The Ellines of Greece SHOULD demand that they are called CYPRIOTS , see how they will bloody well like it mate !! Our history is older than that of Greece didn't you now ?
CYPRUS FOR EVER ABOVE ALL ELS..INES !!!!

[pappy_sydney]

This thread is ridiculous, Greek Cypriots will never give up their Greekness or Hellenism as we are Greeks and Turk Cypriots will never give up their Turkishness since they are Turks. We will never give up our identity for the fake premise of a Cypriot nationality that doesn't exist. We are proud of our culture, history, religion etc which is undeniably Greek. The key for a solution here is to use our Cypriot regional identity (its a regional identity not an ethnic identity ) and use it as something that unites Greek and Turk Cypriots for a common solution to our problems both without enosis or taksim. The neo-Cypriot agitators on this forum are a bunch of lost souls who are confused about their own identity.

[pappy_sydney]

and miltiades etc... we can be cypriots and ellines ( Greeks ) at the same time...saying you are ellinas doesnt mean you are from Greece only...it applies to all hellenes around the world...

[Nikitas]

Bananiot said:

"but we rejected anything to do with the Annan Plan. This, I reckon, was the cause for Talat putting forward unreasonble demands."

I heard with my own ears president Christofias repeatedely say that it is unavoidable for parts of the Annan plan, as well as all past proposals, like the Galli Ideas and de Cuellar directions to be on the negotiating table.

Rejecting the Annan plan is no excuse for undermining the BBF framework and asking for partition as Talat has done. If we are going to enter into an agreement which is partition with joint gevernment of the south then I would have to agree with Kifeas and say that outright partition is MUCH more preferable.

As for rejectionists having a voice in this process, I wish there was a chance to hear them. All I see on RIK, which is a government medium, is a hammering home of the BBF along with the rotating presidency and acceptance of 50 000 settlers. We have accepted a LOT so far and I do not see any corresponding concessions from the TC side. Instead I see rationalisations and excuses about Talat's hardline attitude.

As Cypriots we have a right to demand a more Cypriot centered approach from Talat since he is likely to preside over all of us as a rotating president.

[Bananiot]

Well, you only have to read Simerini, Phileleftheros, Machi or listen to Sigma, ANT1, or switch to TV ANT1, Sigma, Mega ... they make up the majority of the media. Some months ago you could include RIK in the list but the persons are still the same.

[DT.]

Well, you only have to read Simerini, Phileleftheros, Machi or listen to Sigma, ANT1, or switch to TV ANT1, Sigma, Mega ... they make up the majority of the media. Some months ago you could include RIK in the list but the persons are still the same.

Politis, Cyprus Mail and Haravgi being completely impartial off course.

[michalis5354]

Some papers begin with a negative state of mind. they try to spread fear and confusion . They are hiding behind a terminology to draw their own conclusions the most objective paper to read is Cyprus Mail.