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[Nikitas]

Mr Talat is cleverly sabotaging the very core of a BBF solution by putting impossible demands on the negotiating table. According to Politis newspaper, mr Talat is asking for:

Separate Flight Information Regions, control of airports and ports
Separate relations of each component state with the EU and dual representation in EU organs
Internal nationality distinction
Each component state to have power to conclude international agreements with third countries
Separate application of the Law of the Sea
Separate telecommunications authorities
Separate trade competition authorities
Separate central banks
Separate regulatory authorities for the economy, health and fisheries.


In short Talat sets demands which are inconsistent with a unitary federal state as international law defines such a thing, and point more towards partition. So much for the so called BBF.

Does any one in the forum know of any federal state which provides for individual international personality of its components states and allows them to sign international agreements? Attempting to do that in America, for instance, whould get you into trouble real fast!

Partition is the goal and after that formalisaton of Enosis with Turkey.

Bananiot, what do you think of the above? Can you see now that territory always was and always will be the one and only worthwhile matter for negotiation?

[Nikitas]

To the above now add the guarantee by Turkey on the WHOLE of the new BBF state and the capacity of the north component state to enter into a separate agreement of defence cooperation with Turkey to see where Talat wants to steer the ship.

[Get Real!]

The “TRNC” has not changed direction one bit since its illegal creation so why are some of you surprised? In fact it’s the stupid Greek Cypriots that have been changing their story with every successive incompetent president elected!

The RoC had every single international law in her hands and should’ve persisted with Turkey’s FULL compliance with all UN resolutions issued against her, instead of tossing everything in the air and going along with Turkey’s illegal game of Tavli!

Unfortunately, there are far too many treasonous GOOFBALLS among the GC people, some of which are with us on this forum, who were playing the Mother Teresa with their usual… “Our brothers this and our brothers that...” UTTER GARBAGE when all along their so-called “brothers” have been FUCKING them right up arse right in front of their eyes!

Unfortunately, the RoC having now virtually WAVERED her undisputed upper hand of UN resolutions by accepting ILLEGAL bargaining games with Turkey, has now led us to a situation whereby there is NO OTHER OPTION but a military confrontation out of their sheer stupidity!

Those of you who thought you were smart by “reasoning” with a garbage country like Turkey whose signature is not worth two cents and thus encouraging “peace”, have now been proven TOTALLY WRONG and in the process have unfortunately eliminated ALL our options of international justice that a sovereign country was entitled to!

I now demand that the treasonous GC garbage including the likes of Anastasiades, otherwise known as the “intelligent negotiators” who first had these great ideas of playing Mother Teressa with the Mullahs, grab their guns and helmets and GET READY because now they’re going in...

FIRST!

[Get Real!]

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[Nikitas]

GR I am not at all surprised by either the rapaciousness of Talat or the naivete of the GC side.

There are now, even after this news, people like Anatassiades who excuse Talat by alluding to the "usual maximalist demands of Turkey which soften towards the end of negotiations".

It is Bananiot's views on the above which I want.

And to add one more comment. A few days ago Sener Levent in his column posed a question- are we sure that these maximalist demands are dictated by Turkey and Talat is merely the messenger. Levent was sure that turkey is not the one dictating these terms, Talat himself is quite capable of being a chauvinist.

The leopard does not change its spots. It was Talat who took charge of the mistreatment of GC prisoners during the invasion. There are eye witness accounts of those incidents. He may come from a traditionally leftis family, but it is doubtful if he has a leftist bone in his body. He used the left wing to get where he is now simply because the right wing path was occupied by someone else.

[Viewpoint]

Oooooooooooooh arent we angry little GCs????? whats the source of this story? is it credible? thats what you should be asking.

[Nikitas]

Not angry at all. Just amazed at the repertoire of tricks. I was brough up to think that the Turks were superior diplomats. In the end they are a bazaar traders. That had been the basis of their diplomacy all along and the local government, Denktash before and Talat now, pretend they are negotiating on principle.

There is no principle involved here. They talk about virging birth and a unitary state as apparent concepts, nd they simply put up demands that can only lead to partition. So why not say what they are after from the start, save everyone some time?

[Oracle]

Sounds like the last stand of a desperate man who fears for his job.

He presented a tome of woes at the CoE with no solutions for the future which led to major criticisms of the Turkish side.

In particular it seemed to be commonly accepted at the CoE that Turkey has anti-reunification leanings.

Talat just seems to be echoing Turkey's dictates.

Even the AKP Party in Turkey is reflecting more of the demands of the Generals, so why would a sprat like Talat be allowed Freedom to formulate his own list of ultimatums.

As for having leftist leanings .... Stalin springs to mind! A troika of Talat, Generals and AKP to crush us.

[Nikitas]

Crush us?Never! We have had many generations of practice in survival against odds much greater than we face now.

Read the story of Lambousa, it is enlightening, it gives the word resolve a new twist.

And read about the Venetian domination, which was far more pervasive since the conquerors were Christians and could erode society in more effective ways than more "foreign" invaders could. They failed, as had those before and those that followed. Never underestimate the stubborness of the Cypriot.

[Bananiot]

I would like to respond to the "challenge" of Nikitas, especially after I heard the rejectionists of our side rejoice at the prospect of failure of the current round of negotiations.

Before the talks started and probably a good three or four months ago, I wrote that Christofias was wrong in denouncing the Annan Plan altogether and calling for a new basis for negotiations. This produced an expected entrenchment on behalf of Talat who in turn put extremely "advanced" demands on the table.

The two sides, despite their public stance that both are interested primarily for the solution of the problem, are also very concerned about scoring points and what they certainly do not want is for the international community to lay the blame in the event of failure on one or the other side.

Given that the talks will continue, the time will come for give and take. The Turkish side has no problem whatsoever to fall back to what it accepted in 2004 and at the same time to appear to be the positive side. The Greek side will face a serious problem then, given that it pronounced the Annan Plan dead. I remember Papadopoulos declaring that plans like the plan of the UN Secretary are difficult to be taken off the negotiation table. He has a point and perhaps this is why he avoided taking any initiatives in the last four years of his tenure because he knew that the dreaded plan, which he negotiated to be as bad as possible, would bounce in front of him again.

I have no doubt that in 2003-2004 we lost a historic chance to solve our problem and free Cyprus. We were unlucky in that period to have at the helm a man who throughout his long political career was only interested in clean solutions.

No doubt also, the longer we delay solution, the more unpalatable the solution will be, until the Dentash dogma of two independent states living side by side as good neighbours, is embraced by more Cypriots and becomes the sovereign demand.

We are now getting there real fast and even the patriots on the Greek Cypriot side are prepared to discuss it if we were given an incentive, of the 82% - 18% type.