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[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

There is a clear difference in the approach of the two sides to this negotiating process and any objective observer can see it. The GC side is obviously oriented towards a truly independent country which functions as a true federation. There is open public discussion on the losses that the GC community will suffer in such a setup with direct warnings by President Christofias himself. The TC side is undermining the very concept of independence by insisting on the suzerainty of the WHOLE of the federation to Turkey. The TC side talks about give and take, but the emphasis is very much on the "take" so far, wintess the demands for separation on almost all state functions, including some which make no sense at all in the context of the EU (trade and health issues for example) and even this would be acceptable if it were not for the capping demand that even this bastardise version of BBF should be under mainland Turkish control, via the guarantees and military presence.

Asked by a Russian journalist this week why the EU guarantees would not be enough for the TCs Talat brought up the incredible excuse that GCs are members of the EU therefore the EU could not be trusted. He apparently is OK with several of these untrustoworthy EU countries to have contingents in the UNFICYP and for the whole of the EU to finance his government.

It is no surprise then that a growing section of the GC community see outright partition as a preferable solution to a bastardised BBF and a subversive enemy of Cypriot Independence like Talat being their "rotating president".

As you said in your signature, in life there are only options. To which I add that every option has positive and negative aspects and this is true for all the possible options in Cyprus, including BBF, partition and others.

[Viewpoint]

How on earth do you expect us to trust the EU when they have not made good on any of their promises. During any internal conflict the EU will only refer to some obscure excuse that will mean they will do jack shit while the GCs are allowed to do as they please as the spoilt brats of the EU clan. Accepting EU guarantees is like throwing your security into the wind and hoping for the best.

[Nikitas]

VP,

So how come you trust British, Swedes and Danes to be part of the UNFICYP? Have they shown any partiality in the managing of the Green line? In the security issue there is no possibility for anyone to be given any leeway because they are the spoilt brat etc. You either keep to one side of the line or you get into trouble. That is what the situation is now that is how it would be with EU interim security control. In the future the spoilt brat issue would not arise because the WHOLE of Cyprus would be in the EU and both sides will be equally spoilt.

Have you any evidence of RoC being given any special treatment in any EU programme or policy? So where is the spoilt brat status?

[Viewpoint]

VP,

So how come you trust British, Swedes and Danes to be part of the UNFICYP? Have they shown any partiality in the managing of the Green line? In the security issue there is no possibility for anyone to be given any leeway because they are the spoilt brat etc. You either keep to one side of the line or you get into trouble. That is what the situation is now that is how it would be with EU interim security control. In the future the spoilt brat issue would not arise because the WHOLE of Cyprus would be in the EU and both sides will be equally spoilt.

Have you any evidence of RoC being given any special treatment in any EU programme or policy? So where is the spoilt brat status?

The fact that brat of the EU "RoC" is still divided is the biggest confirmation of what I claim. With regards to security remember the UN during 1963 1974 and the skirmishes at the borders, they are at best onlookers and we do not want to put our security at risk, its a red line for many TCs and compromise might be for Turkey to provide security for only the north state rather than the whole island, meaning that if the north state comes under fire Turkey can take action but on the other hand for your safety they cannot intervene in the south state.