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[humanist]

EPSILON

You are absolutely right. History proved that a G/c monkey can be more independent from mother lands instructions than a T/c politician

not to mention rebuild a whole country to an equal staus of those in the EU. I think we can do it and protect our interests at the same time.

[Viewpoint]

EPSILON

You are absolutely right. History proved that a G/c monkey can be more independent from mother lands instructions than a T/c politician

not to mention rebuild a whole country to an equal staus of those in the EU. I think we can do it and protect our interests at the same time.

So whos the GC monkey?

[repulsewarrior]

a sole governance by a Unitary State will only invite more instability in the future, because it is more than likely that the island's demographics will change significantly in the future. a Federal government can only remain strong if it represents its electorate in a manner where the bias of its consituencies are used to countervail the extremes it is or will be exposed to. for the communities, Turkish and Greek to sustain themselves, they need to act as a majority through their own representation, demonstrating as such their recognition and the special needs of minorities amongst them. This Bicommunally will in essence demand two levels of governance.

...please read my manifesto (again).

[Viewpoint]

repulse why do you persist with your manifesto?

[humanist]

VP I really do not know if you are personally believeing what you write, if your write because you are told to do so or if you write what you write as I sometimes do to be controversial. However, I am happy to take responsibility and say that some of the things I write on here are purely to get a response, some are based on anger and therefore i resopond in anger without really paying much attention to what I say, but nothing is written by me becaue i am told to do so.



ON that note here we go again, yes in the the early part of the 60's your community did suffer at the hands of some fascist GC's who yes wanted Cyprus to be Greek. I am happy to report that some of those people including my aunty's ex -husnband are now gone dead, no impact what so ever and the ones alive are in very limited numbers and if I could take an estimated guess their actions are closely watched.


Secondly you did not create the current status quo those GC's and TC's in the late 50"s, in their 60's and some older have created the current situation. It was no a purely GC created problem and it was not a purely TC exclussive intervention that we have the current situation. Do I believe the TC community is currently supporting the current Status quo yes I do.

Like I said many time before I believe that the minute you deby someone's rights to their homes and properties the consequence is what is no evident in Cyprus no recognision no rights to trade etc. I make no apologies for this. You want this to stop then you work with the other 800,000 Cypriots to work it out so that everyone walks away feeling faired by the whole situation.

I do not believe you personally have th capacity to understand me sometimes or you choose not to understand me.

If we all want to we can make a change.

If Talat is in predicament with the Turkish Army and is imobolised in acting in a way that will bring TC's forth then am afraid he needs to in secret deals and trust wtih Christofias disclose his status so that both Cyprus and the EU and UN are aware of this anc can offer him protection to speak up and therefore free TC's from the occupation troops of Turkey. You personally on the other hand have never alluded to this facto other than say you support the hand that feeds you. Perhaps that is way of saying we are unable to do anything else, as my freind who lives in the occupied areas has told me, when I met him last October. I am not willing to give anything more away because he has had bad experience wth Grey Wolves and I wish to protect his identity.

I appreciate that alot of water has gone under the Bridge however the decision is up to each individual TC to take a risk and say okay Cyprus has mved a long way ahead, it is now more multi cultral than it was in the 60's and people s perceptions have changed, therefore we are going to trust that we together can build a country that we can all be proud to call home and that allows the freedomes for all to live freely intheir own country share the oportuntiies and resources.

I don't treally know what else you want me to say, but I am not going to say well yes you been stuffed up by some GC's therefore you deserve the occupied areas to call your country it is not your country that is every Cypriots Country and part of it is yours. Part of it is mine.


The fact that young TC"s have taken such action against the regime indcates to me that their parents have spoken to them of the Cyprus they would like to see and that is a free one without any Turkish troops. Their freedoms restored and their opportunties available to them.


Furthermore, Christofias eecent actions have shown nothing less than respect for talat as your leader and the TC community as a whole. If Talat works together with Christifias I am confident that we will reach a good result for all based on the BBF. BBF I do not agree with but you know whatI have decided to return to Cyprus to v ote at the next referendum and I will vote for it if I agree with the proposal. I do not in principal agree with BBF because it still divided people rather than bringing them together.

I personally value the contributions of TC;'s in creating a unique Cypriot culture and because I do not agree with Cyprus breing Greek of any kind because we are so difeerent it sadens me to see young TC's ike that nice chap who is now in Melbourn or others who are living for London and elsewhere for a supposedly better life. If youc can call living in London or Britain as a whole a better life.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to put my view forth.

GO THE YOUNG TC"s FOR A FREE CYPRUS.

[Viewpoint]

humanist I do realize your intentions are good and yes I to sometimes post comments to measure the reaction of GCs. This is to test my own beliefs that we will never see eye to eye and that in fact for me anyway agreed partition is a more realistic option than forcing two communities together against their will. If the current negotiations fail which I feel they will or at best we go to referendum one side will reject the solution put forward and we will be back to square one.

Of course TCs and Turkey contributed to the current situation and we do accept our share of the blame but we will always believe our actions were reactionary towards stopping GCs from gifting Cyprus to Greece therefore turning this Cypriot island into a Greek island. Without the ideology of enosis the island would have grown as a Cypriot nation but that chance was lost a long time ago.

We TCs cannot afford to make any mistakes of the past as we are the smaller party to this partnership, we do not feel GCs have evolved they are still displaying the signs of the past by wanting us to throw away our community rights accepting minority rights under the camouflage of that we are all Cypriots and there are no majorities or minorities.

We have to protect ourselves and this will onl be possible with safeguards that will guarantee the majority do not abuse their advantage against the TC population, if they have no such intention then these safeguards will become redundant and void, yet GCs continue to display a arrogant stance of not accepting a mechanism that will not leave us exposed or at the mercy of GCs.

As for pushing away the hand that feeds you, would you GCs pass a law to stop all Brits visiting the island as tourists? how would that effect your economy and income levels, you would first have to have guaranteed options before taking such a risky step, we do not have those guaranteed options in fact we are pushed even further towards becoming more and more dependent and that hand, I may have been vague here but the sheer fact that we are not allowed by the south to stand on our own two feet works against you people as it only pushed us further into the financial dependency lap of Turkey.

I hope the above gives you some insight into my concerns for TCs and believe me you have what you desire a recognized GC state free of TC interference, you benefit from this and the price you pay is the loss of your land which is really all you want back.


Finally I would not put to much on the youth of the TRNC, the majority not all are typical empty heads with no real understanding of the Cyprus problem, all they want to do is drive daddys Merc and have lots of fun with daddys money.

[Viewpoint]

humanist I do realize your intentions are good and yes I to sometimes post comments to measure the reaction of GCs. This is to test my own beliefs that we will never see eye to eye and that in fact for me anyway agreed partition is a more realistic option than forcing two communities together against their will. If the current negotiations fail which I feel they will or at best we go to referendum one side will reject the solution put forward and we will be back to square one.

Of course TCs and Turkey contributed to the current situation and we do accept our share of the blame but we will always believe our actions were reactionary towards stopping GCs from gifting Cyprus to Greece therefore turning this Cypriot island into a Greek island. Without the ideology of enosis the island would have grown as a Cypriot nation but that chance was lost a long time ago.

We TCs cannot afford to make any mistakes of the past as we are the smaller party to this partnership, we do not feel GCs have evolved they are still displaying the signs of the past by wanting us to throw away our community rights accepting minority rights under the camouflage of that we are all Cypriots and there are no majorities or minorities.

We have to protect ourselves and this will onl be possible with safeguards that will guarantee the majority do not abuse their advantage against the TC population, if they have no such intention then these safeguards will become redundant and void, yet GCs continue to display a arrogant stance of not accepting a mechanism that will not leave us exposed or at the mercy of GCs.

As for pushing away the hand that feeds you, would you GCs pass a law to stop all Brits visiting the island as tourists? how would that effect your economy and income levels, you would first have to have guaranteed options before taking such a risky step, we do not have those guaranteed options in fact we are pushed even further towards becoming more and more dependent and that hand, I may have been vague here but the sheer fact that we are not allowed by the south to stand on our own two feet works against you people as it only pushed us further into the financial dependency lap of Turkey.

I hope the above gives you some insight into my concerns for TCs and believe me you have what you desire a recognized GC state free of TC interference, you benefit from this and the price you pay is the loss of your land which is really all you want back.


Finally I would not put to much on the youth of the TRNC, the majority not all are typical empty heads with no real understanding of the Cyprus problem, all they want to do is drive daddys Merc and have lots of fun with daddys money.

Any response to the above humanist?

[humanist]

VP

Of course TCs and Turkey contributed to the current situation and we do accept our share of the blame but we will always believe our actions were reactionary towards stopping GCs from gifting Cyprus to Greece therefore turning this Cypriot island into a Greek island. Without the ideology of enosis the island would have grown as a Cypriot nation but that chance was lost a long time ago.

So it's okay for you to gift Cyprus to Turkey but was not okay for GC's to gift Cyprus to Greece. Well can't get any clearer on one rule for the TC and another for the GC. Personally I am glad that enosis never happened and I am sure that the current push for Enosis wit Turkey will also not occur.

[humanist]

VP

We TCs cannot afford to make any mistakes of the past as we are the smaller party to this partnership, we do not feel GCs have evolved they are still displaying the signs of the past by wanting us to throw away our community rights accepting minority rights under the camouflage of that we are all Cypriots and there are no majorities or minorities.

We have to protect ourselves and this will onl be possible with safeguards that will guarantee the majority do not abuse their advantage against the TC population, if they have no such intention then these safeguards will become redundant and void, yet GCs continue to display a arrogant stance of not accepting a mechanism that will not leave us exposed or at the mercy of GCs.

VP there are many countries in the world where there are majorities and minorietes and everyone's rights are conserved and respected infact your own place of birth is one of those countries. In the UK everyone shares same rights and opportunities the rest is up to each individual to excercise their rights and take action about opportintities available.

Your second point in relation to guarantees, Cyprus is no longer an isolated part of the puzzle it is a member of the EU and the EU through its policies of citizenship and protection of human rights will provide the guarantees that all minority groups rerquire in any of its States. In Cyprus today there are in the south approximately and I am happy to be corrected on this 50,000 british living in the free areas. That is amost as high as the TC number on the Island. The same protection that is offered to the British living on the Island would be afforded to your community also.

[humanist]

VP

As for pushing away the hand that feeds you, would you GCs pass a law to stop all Brits visiting the island as tourists? how would that effect your economy and income levels, you would first have to have guaranteed options before taking such a risky step, we do not have those guaranteed options in fact we are pushed even further towards becoming more and more dependent and that hand, I may have been vague here but the sheer fact that we are not allowed by the south to stand on our own two feet works against you people as it only pushed us further into the financial dependency lap of Turkey.

No we will not stop tourism of the British. Tourism is a business venture and it is taking place legally as it does in every other nation in the worls. Tourism will also benefit TC business uon unification. There are many TC's currently residing in the RoC and they too may have business. I have not met any. That does not mean they do not exists.

The "trnc"/ Turkey relationship I was referring too is very different to that of any business ventures upon unification ant Turk would be welcomed to Cyprus to holiday if they choose too and they will allowed to also choose wheree they go. Paphos or Gyrne/ Kerinia.