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[humanist]

VP

I hope the above gives you some insight into my concerns for TCs and believe me you have what you desire a recognized GC state free of TC interference, you benefit from this and the price you pay is the loss of your land which is really all you want back.


Finally I would not put to much on the youth of the TRNC, the majority not all are typical empty heads with no real understanding of the Cyprus problem, all they want to do is drive daddys Merc and have lots of fun with daddys money.

Firstly we have given up on the loss of land , we want our HUMAN RIGHTS RESTORED and FREEDOM to OUR COUNTRY. I can see your desire to have your independent recognised state and I have no problem with that. Go ask Turkey to give you 4.5 thousand square meters and call it yours do as you wish. Ask mama Turka to buikd you an Isald same size between Cyprus and Turkey and you can do as you wish. But you do not have exclussive rights to Cyprus and certaily not the occupied areas. That is stolen land of many thousads of GC's who homes you occupy and use and sell.

Well empty head come from empty head.


I wonder how many of those driving daddy's mercedes are fed throught Turkish hand outs to feed their propaganda and secondly I met a couple especially a young man with a nice white mercedes in a small souvlaki place in Larnaca one night. He didn't appear to be too empty headed but the communication barrier go in the way.

[Viewpoint]

VP

Of course TCs and Turkey contributed to the current situation and we do accept our share of the blame but we will always believe our actions were reactionary towards stopping GCs from gifting Cyprus to Greece therefore turning this Cypriot island into a Greek island. Without the ideology of enosis the island would have grown as a Cypriot nation but that chance was lost a long time ago.

So it's okay for you to gift Cyprus to Turkey but was not okay for GC's to gift Cyprus to Greece. Well can't get any clearer on one rule for the TC and another for the GC. Personally I am glad that enosis never happened and I am sure that the current push for Enosis wit Turkey will also not occur.

Theres a big difference, you wanted to gift the whole island with or even better without its TC population. We on the other hand responded to enosis with Taksim which gave you the GC state you have always longer for and allowed you to rule yourselves on the island as GCs. We would of had to have tried to survive on a Greek island.

[Viewpoint]

VP

We TCs cannot afford to make any mistakes of the past as we are the smaller party to this partnership, we do not feel GCs have evolved they are still displaying the signs of the past by wanting us to throw away our community rights accepting minority rights under the camouflage of that we are all Cypriots and there are no majorities or minorities.

We have to protect ourselves and this will onl be possible with safeguards that will guarantee the majority do not abuse their advantage against the TC population, if they have no such intention then these safeguards will become redundant and void, yet GCs continue to display a arrogant stance of not accepting a mechanism that will not leave us exposed or at the mercy of GCs.

VP there are many countries in the world where there are majorities and minorietes and everyone's rights are conserved and respected infact your own place of birth is one of those countries. In the UK everyone shares same rights and opportunities the rest is up to each individual to excercise their rights and take action about opportintities available.

Your second point in relation to guarantees, Cyprus is no longer an isolated part of the puzzle it is a member of the EU and the EU through its policies of citizenship and protection of human rights will provide the guarantees that all minority groups rerquire in any of its States. In Cyprus today there are in the south approximately and I am happy to be corrected on this 50,000 british living in the free areas. That is amost as high as the TC number on the Island. The same protection that is offered to the British living on the Island would be afforded to your community also.

Are these Brits indigenous? do they have a partnership agreement? we do not want to ruled by solely GCs, we are 100% sure they will abuse their numerical advatnage against us in everyway possible. We cannot expose ourselves to this risk and there demand safeguards.

[Viewpoint]

VP

As for pushing away the hand that feeds you, would you GCs pass a law to stop all Brits visiting the island as tourists? how would that effect your economy and income levels, you would first have to have guaranteed options before taking such a risky step, we do not have those guaranteed options in fact we are pushed even further towards becoming more and more dependent and that hand, I may have been vague here but the sheer fact that we are not allowed by the south to stand on our own two feet works against you people as it only pushed us further into the financial dependency lap of Turkey.

No we will not stop tourism of the British. Tourism is a business venture and it is taking place legally as it does in every other nation in the worls. Tourism will also benefit TC business uon unification. There are many TC's currently residing in the RoC and they too may have business. I have not met any. That does not mean they do not exists.

The "trnc"/ Turkey relationship I was referring too is very different to that of any business ventures upon unification ant Turk would be welcomed to Cyprus to holiday if they choose too and they will allowed to also choose wheree they go. Paphos or Gyrne/ Kerinia.

As you would stop tourism to south Cyprus because it would leave many hungry the same goes for the TRNC, dont ask to tell Turkey to stop financial aid as that would cause a financial crisis, I hope this helps you understand why it is important for TCs to be financially independent of Turkey but this is not possible due to the narrow vision of GCs as they push us furter and further into the arms of our only allie Turkey.

[Viewpoint]

VP

I hope the above gives you some insight into my concerns for TCs and believe me you have what you desire a recognized GC state free of TC interference, you benefit from this and the price you pay is the loss of your land which is really all you want back.


Finally I would not put to much on the youth of the TRNC, the majority not all are typical empty heads with no real understanding of the Cyprus problem, all they want to do is drive daddys Merc and have lots of fun with daddys money.

Firstly we have given up on the loss of land , we want our HUMAN RIGHTS RESTORED and FREEDOM to OUR COUNTRY. I can see your desire to have your independent recognised state and I have no problem with that. Go ask Turkey to give you 4.5 thousand square meters and call it yours do as you wish. Ask mama Turka to buikd you an Isald same size between Cyprus and Turkey and you can do as you wish. But you do not have exclussive rights to Cyprus and certaily not the occupied areas. That is stolen land of many thousads of GC's who homes you occupy and use and sell.

Well empty head come from empty head.


I wonder how many of those driving daddy's mercedes are fed throught Turkish hand outs to feed their propaganda and secondly I met a couple especially a young man with a nice white mercedes in a small souvlaki place in Larnaca one night. He didn't appear to be too empty headed but the communication barrier go in the way.

hello humanist have you grasped the fact that we are unable to share the island mixed together or are you still struggling with that concept? We are unable to workout a solution thats why nothing changes, you can have all you wish as soon as you agree to the safeguards that will protect and ensure the majority behave themselves and allow su to have a effective say in our future.

[repulsewarrior]

...turkey is unable to convince anyone that there is a part of the island for her.

you have a say in your own future as a Cypriot, VP; not as a Turk, nor as a TC.

Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots are not divided as you imagine. and the reality is that the isolation from each other will have to end because it is artificial, and against the natural desire of all of us for our Freewill as this island's dwellers.

[humanist]

ok VP no more doscussion necessary you have ut forth your points, you want enosis with Turkey, you want partition from the rest of the Island, you hate the GC's therefore we have oposing views. Discussion ends. heer good luck with your fight and all the best to me with mine.

Warior the division and divide ....... eneded the day the check points had opened.

At the realisation of old fart Denktas that he fucked his people over well and truly . 34 years of prison because he wanted to be a ruler. An egotistical move by a powerful individual to subject his people to a prison under Turkish guard.


There is something to be said about sociology, psychology and Antrhopology the minute you astrt unpacking the world becomes clearer.

[repulsewarrior]

...well humanist the positive note is as i have said many times before. 200 years from now the image of denktash, like makarios will stand tall, because in the end they chose Cyprus, first.

[Viewpoint]

...turkey is unable to convince anyone that there is a part of the island for her.

you have a say in your own future as a Cypriot, VP; not as a Turk, nor as a TC.

Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots are not divided as you imagine. and the reality is that the isolation from each other will have to end because it is artificial, and against the natural desire of all of us for our Freewill as this island's dwellers.

How do you exactly predict this happening? you are really kidding yourself.

[Viewpoint]

ok VP no more doscussion necessary you have ut forth your points, you want enosis with Turkey, you want partition from the rest of the Island, you hate the GC's therefore we have oposing views. Discussion ends. heer good luck with your fight and all the best to me with mine.

Warior the division and divide ....... eneded the day the check points had opened.

At the realisation of old fart Denktas that he fucked his people over well and truly . 34 years of prison because he wanted to be a ruler. An egotistical move by a powerful individual to subject his people to a prison under Turkish guard.


There is something to be said about sociology, psychology and Antrhopology the minute you astrt unpacking the world becomes clearer.

I agree, but the GCs have proven us right in that the chasm is to wide and that we lack common ground to unify. This is not the end of the world life goes on and the division has proven sucessful as both sides live peacefully with it borders just like any other 2 neighbouring countries. Dont try to put my future generations in danger by forcing them to live in a GC state run by GCs for GCs.