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Call him leader, president, baldy or a duck - what does it matter ? - Talat is still the one who is negotiating.

Talat is no negotiator but a messenger for Ankara. The few times he tried to open his mouth and utter his own thoughts he was summoned to Istanbul where he got spanked...

My friend, messenger is a valuable title.Please do not undervalue the words meaning. He is just a time consume item!!!!!

[CopperLine]

Epsilon
As I said at the beginning of this thread, Turkey has the veto power.

Oracle, Get Real

Very silly comments you make. As if the lack of absolute power disqualifies one from being a negotiator or negotiating ! It is also the case that presidents of the RoC have not been able to get rid of Turkish troops, nor has the EU, nor has the UN, etc - none of this means that they, like Talat, are not negotiators engaged in negotiations.

It is a curious psychology that has you so obsessed with what name should or should not be given to Talat. Very odd indeed.

[Viewpoint]

Great speach clear and concise, well done President Talat.

[pantheman]

Epsilon
As I said at the beginning of this thread, Turkey has the veto power.

Oracle, Get Real

Very silly comments you make. As if the lack of absolute power disqualifies one from being a negotiator or negotiating ! It is also the case that presidents of the RoC have not been able to get rid of Turkish troops, nor has the EU, nor has the UN, etc - none of this means that they, like Talat, are not negotiators engaged in negotiations.

It is a curious psychology that has you so obsessed with what name should or should not be given to Talat. Very odd indeed.

My dear friend Copperline, thank you for the reply, but I think you mis-understood the point.

He may be at the negotiating table, but I was questioning not if he was a negotiator but if he was a president.

He is neither really, and you do know this.

As far as your comments above about troop removals, of course the EU, UN or anyone else cannot remove these troops without war, but one would expect that if were are negotiating with the enemy then the enemy would have the authority to remove them.

You have just shown a Zan side you yourself but coming up with some utter crap, which is uncharacteristic of you.

So, just to summarize, Talat is NOT a president, as he doesn't carry the title internationally, he is a Leader of the TCs COMMUNITY (as stated by my learned friend Mr K)

He maybe at the table but his authority is zero and has no real say.

He is only there to save Turkey the face of revealing to the world its evilness.

We are talking to a dead Duck. Please bring us your real leaders who have the clought.

Many thanks I hope I have cleared that up now.

[Viewpoint]

Epsilon
As I said at the beginning of this thread, Turkey has the veto power.

Oracle, Get Real

Very silly comments you make. As if the lack of absolute power disqualifies one from being a negotiator or negotiating ! It is also the case that presidents of the RoC have not been able to get rid of Turkish troops, nor has the EU, nor has the UN, etc - none of this means that they, like Talat, are not negotiators engaged in negotiations.

It is a curious psychology that has you so obsessed with what name should or should not be given to Talat. Very odd indeed.

My dear friend Copperline, thank you for the reply, but I think you mis-understood the point.

He may be at the negotiating table, but I was questioning not if he was a negotiator but if he was a president.

He is neither really, and you do know this.

As far as your comments above about troop removals, of course the EU, UN or anyone else cannot remove these troops without war, but one would expect that if were are negotiating with the enemy then the enemy would have the authority to remove them.

You have just shown a Zan side you yourself but coming up with some utter crap, which is uncharacteristic of you.

So, just to summarize, Talat is NOT a president, as he doesn't carry the title internationally, he is a Leader of the TCs COMMUNITY (as stated by my learned friend Mr K)

He maybe at the table but his authority is zero and has no real say.

He is only there to save Turkey the face of revealing to the world its evilness.

We are talking to a dead Duck. Please bring us your real leaders who have the clought.

Many thanks I hope I have cleared that up now.

Then that must make your leader look real stupid for trying to negotiate with someone who has no role in trying to find a solution.

[Oracle]

Epsilon
As I said at the beginning of this thread, Turkey has the veto power.

Oracle, Get Real

Very silly comments you make. As if the lack of absolute power disqualifies one from being a negotiator or negotiating ! It is also the case that presidents of the RoC have not been able to get rid of Turkish troops, nor has the EU, nor has the UN, etc - none of this means that they, like Talat, are not negotiators engaged in negotiations.

It is a curious psychology that has you so obsessed with what name should or should not be given to Talat. Very odd indeed.

My dear friend Copperline, thank you for the reply, but I think you mis-understood the point.

He may be at the negotiating table, but I was questioning not if he was a negotiator but if he was a president.

He is neither really, and you do know this.

As far as your comments above about troop removals, of course the EU, UN or anyone else cannot remove these troops without war, but one would expect that if were are negotiating with the enemy then the enemy would have the authority to remove them.

You have just shown a Zan side you yourself but coming up with some utter crap, which is uncharacteristic of you.

So, just to summarize, Talat is NOT a president, as he doesn't carry the title internationally, he is a Leader of the TCs COMMUNITY (as stated by my learned friend Mr K)

He maybe at the table but his authority is zero and has no real say.

He is only there to save Turkey the face of revealing to the world its evilness.

We are talking to a dead Duck. Please bring us your real leaders who have the clought.

Many thanks I hope I have cleared that up now.

Then that must make your leader look real stupid for trying to negotiate with someone who has no role in trying to find a solution.

Make no mistake ... President Christofias, in all politeness, is merely passing on messages via Talat to the Turks ... he is not fooled for one second that Talat is not a negotiator but a mere messenger to the Turks ...

A Duck Puppet ....

[BirKibrisli]

Perhaps Talat can be called "LAME DUCK PRESIDENT"...
But that title already belongs to someone else,and I dont mean President Christofias...

I invite all to ponder on the following observation:

If and when an agreement is found...it will be signed by President Christofias of the ROC and President Talat of the trnc,the breakaway Turkish Cypriot state recognised only by Turkey...The two signatures will have equal value and validity...

Did I leave anything out??? Or does that sum up the realities of our unfortunate country...????

[humanist]

sums it up

[BirKibrisli]

sums it up

[zan]

Pantheman,
That Turkey is crucial, has an effective veto call, and that TRNC, the Turkish Cypriot community or whatever else one wants to call the north has a very limited room for manoeuvre is no secret. It is known by GCs hence their negotiating difficulties, including the issue of recognition. It is known by TCs hence the difficulty of organising a genuine internal alternative. And it is known to Turkey whose actions over the last thirty plus years are predicated on that veto power.

None of this is new to any one. What is in dispute is how much room for manoeuvre and negotiation each of us thinks that TCs have got. Some say none, some say a little. Some don't care and wish there was none. Some don't want to negotiate with anyone at all.

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Regarding recognition and whether Talat is recognised as President, a president, a leader or as head alopecian ... I've just got to say 'who gives a crap ?' The recognition/non-recognition is in my view and infantile disorder elevated to a bogus international 'principle'. The fact remains that Talat was invited to speak to PACE; it is he who is negotiating with Christofias; it is the bald one who is in talks with the UN; it is this not/president who is engaged in diplomacy with the EU.

People may swear that he is not a president that he is a potato on a stick : all the while though, he talks like a president, acts like a president, behaves like president, and is treated like a president.

If it looks like a duck.....walks like a duck.....sounds like a duck....

President Talat has had many visits from my friend who is the head of the Derneks in the UK.....As we speak more unity is being achieved throughout the British Isles. President Talat is in no doubt what the TCs want. believe me......