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[CopperLine]

Kifeas,
The point is that whether you or I recognise Talat as a president or as ... a duck ... is immaterial. The fact remains that he's negotiating, he's treated as a negotiator and he's treated as if he's representing TCs. You might not like it - because in your mind it implies 'recognition'; I might not like it because it implies 'competence' or 'authority' - but for those with whom he's speaking these issues are not at stake.

Moreover, the 'people that matter' on this issue are not you and I : they are the leaders of PACE, of EU, of RoC, of Turkey etc.

You're mistaken about why I 'don't give a crap' what he's called. It has nothing to do with 1/3, usurpation, constitution, right and wrong, GCs or TCs - but it has everything to do with ... well BirKibrisli put it best .... "If it looks like a duck.....walks like a duck.....sounds like a duck...."

[Oracle]

... well BirKibrisli put it best .... "If it looks like a duck.....walks like a duck.....sounds like a duck...."

Meet Talat ....

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,
The point is that whether you or I recognise Talat as a president or as ... a duck ... is immaterial. The fact remains that he's negotiating, he's treated as a negotiator and he's treated as if he's representing TCs. You might not like it - because in your mind it implies 'recognition'; I might not like it because it implies 'competence' or 'authority' - but for those with whom he's speaking these issues are not at stake.

Moreover, the 'people that matter' on this issue are not you and I : they are the leaders of PACE, of EU, of RoC, of Turkey etc.

You're mistaken about why I 'don't give a crap' what he's called. It has nothing to do with 1/3, usurpation, constitution, right and wrong, GCs or TCs - but it has everything to do with ... well BirKibrisli put it best .... "If it looks like a duck.....walks like a duck.....sounds like a duck...."

Copper, Talat is negotiating (or supposedly negotiating) ON BEHALF the TC community, in his recognised by the RoC (and us GCs) as the LEADER of the TC community, and not as any kind of president of anyone existing state or country!

The TC community IS recognised as an entity by the 1960 RoC constitution, but only as a community in the whole of Cyprus, and not as a state or any other sort of entity with a separate, more so exclusive, territorial dimension. It is under this capacity, and only under this capacity, that Talat negotiates with Christofias; and it is under this capacity, and only under this capacity that he becomes accepted when he moves around in Europe or elsewhere, i.e. as the leader of the TC community, as the community is defined by the 1960 RoC constitution. In this respect, we have no problem if and where he goes outside Cyprus, as long as he is recognised under the status of the TC community leader, and only so! Are you now able to better digest what is going on, or you still have trouble (as usual) comprehending the issue?

[EPSILON]

Talat to address European parliamentarians

Tuesday, September 30, 2008

ISTANBUL - Turkish Daily News

The president of Turkish Cyprus, is scheduled to address the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, or PACE, this week, a first for the leader of a country that is recognized only by Turkey.

One of the highlights of the fall session of PACE, to be held in Strasbourg, is the debate this week on the situation in Cyprus. Both Demetris Christofias, president of Greek Cyprus and Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat will address the general assembly, on successive days.

Although Talat is not recognized as president by the international community, Turkish diplomacy seems to have succeeded in securing equal treatment for Talat. His program in Strasbourg includes a meeting with the state secretary of Sweden, who holds the presidency of the committee of ministers � the executive body of the Council of Europe, which is the oldest international organization working for European integration, and of which Turkey is a member.

Talat's program also includes a meeting with Secretary General Terry Davis and a dinner given in his honor by the president of PACE, Lluis Maria de Puig. After addressing PACE, Talat is also to meet the president of the European Court of Human Rights.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=116593

This is a positive move for the possibilities of some kind of Cyprus settlement. However, in the end, it will be determined by what is acceptable to Turkey on the one hand and RoC on the other hand.

Very very clever point!!!"and Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat will address the general assembly, on successive days. "

can they tell us how Mr Talat will be "officially annonced by Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe when he will speak?

is a secret? why not included in the statement? MAYBE the announcement will refer to the :representative of Turkish Cypriots and not President?

who knows? only the writter of the ab propaganta knows.

[Oracle]

Talat to address European parliamentarians

Tuesday, September 30, 2008

ISTANBUL - Turkish Daily News

The president of Turkish Cyprus, is scheduled to address the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, or PACE, this week, a first for the leader of a country that is recognized only by Turkey.

One of the highlights of the fall session of PACE, to be held in Strasbourg, is the debate this week on the situation in Cyprus. Both Demetris Christofias, president of Greek Cyprus and Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat will address the general assembly, on successive days.

Although Talat is not recognized as president by the international community, Turkish diplomacy seems to have succeeded in securing equal treatment for Talat. His program in Strasbourg includes a meeting with the state secretary of Sweden, who holds the presidency of the committee of ministers � the executive body of the Council of Europe, which is the oldest international organization working for European integration, and of which Turkey is a member.

Talat's program also includes a meeting with Secretary General Terry Davis and a dinner given in his honor by the president of PACE, Lluis Maria de Puig. After addressing PACE, Talat is also to meet the president of the European Court of Human Rights.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=116593

This is a positive move for the possibilities of some kind of Cyprus settlement. However, in the end, it will be determined by what is acceptable to Turkey on the one hand and RoC on the other hand.

Very very clever point!!!"and Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat will address the general assembly, on successive days. "

can they tell us how Mr Talat will be "officially annonced by Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe when he will speak?

is a secret? why not included in the statement? MAYBE the announcement will refer to the :representative of Turkish Cypriots and not President?

who knows? only the writter of the ab propaganta knows.

This is how the Council of Europe present Talat ....

[01/10/2008 11:30:00] In his address to the Parliamentary Assembly on 1st October Mehmet Ali Talat, leader of the Turkish Cypriot Community, said: ''The Parliamentary Assembly is the first international parliament to accept the elected representatives of the Turkish Cypriot people under its roof. Taking into consideration our YES vote for the United Nations Comprehensive Settlement Plan, which was aimed at solving the Cyprus problem, you have, since the year 2005, provided us with a window to breathe through in our long-lived political isolation. Turkish Cypriot parliamentarians have been able to step into the international arena, thanks to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe.''

http://www.coe.int/DefaultEN.asp

[EPSILON]

Talat to address European parliamentarians

Tuesday, September 30, 2008

ISTANBUL - Turkish Daily News

The president of Turkish Cyprus, is scheduled to address the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, or PACE, this week, a first for the leader of a country that is recognized only by Turkey.

One of the highlights of the fall session of PACE, to be held in Strasbourg, is the debate this week on the situation in Cyprus. Both Demetris Christofias, president of Greek Cyprus and Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat will address the general assembly, on successive days.

Although Talat is not recognized as president by the international community, Turkish diplomacy seems to have succeeded in securing equal treatment for Talat. His program in Strasbourg includes a meeting with the state secretary of Sweden, who holds the presidency of the committee of ministers � the executive body of the Council of Europe, which is the oldest international organization working for European integration, and of which Turkey is a member.

Talat's program also includes a meeting with Secretary General Terry Davis and a dinner given in his honor by the president of PACE, Lluis Maria de Puig. After addressing PACE, Talat is also to meet the president of the European Court of Human Rights.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=116593

This is a positive move for the possibilities of some kind of Cyprus settlement. However, in the end, it will be determined by what is acceptable to Turkey on the one hand and RoC on the other hand.

Very very clever point!!!"and Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat will address the general assembly, on successive days. "

can they tell us how Mr Talat will be "officially annonced by Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe when he will speak?

is a secret? why not included in the statement? MAYBE the announcement will refer to the :representative of Turkish Cypriots and not President?

who knows? only the writter of the ab propaganta knows.

This is how the Council of Europe present Talat ....

[01/10/2008 11:30:00] In his address to the Parliamentary Assembly on 1st October Mehmet Ali Talat, leader of the Turkish Cypriot Community, said: ''The Parliamentary Assembly is the first international parliament to accept the elected representatives of the Turkish Cypriot people under its roof. Taking into consideration our YES vote for the United Nations Comprehensive Settlement Plan, which was aimed at solving the Cyprus problem, you have, since the year 2005, provided us with a window to breathe through in our long-lived political isolation. Turkish Cypriot parliamentarians have been able to step into the international arena, thanks to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe.''

http://www.coe.int/DefaultEN.asp

even so -where is the word "president"?

[CopperLine]

Call him leader, president, baldy or a duck - what does it matter ? - Talat is still the one who is negotiating.

[EPSILON]

Call him leader, president, baldy or a duck - what does it matter ? - Talat is still the one who is negotiating.

he is negotiating?!!!!Can he sign? Maybe you hv to ask the National assebly of Turkey before you reply

[Oracle]

Call him leader, president, baldy or a duck - what does it matter ? - Talat is still the one who is negotiating.

Where is he negotiating?

Does he have the power to remove the Turkish troops if he wanted to use that as a negotiating tool?

[Get Real!]

Call him leader, president, baldy or a duck - what does it matter ? - Talat is still the one who is negotiating.

Talat is no negotiator but a messenger for Ankara. The few times he tried to open his mouth and utter his own thoughts he was summoned to Istanbul where he got spanked...