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[utu]

The fact that Mr. Talat is speaking to PACE as a leader of a community is significant. The real question is what can he really do given the number of Turkish military forces stationed in the northern administrative area?

BTW, one can be a president of something other than a country: a business, corporation, sports club, etc. In Talat's case, it is of the Turkish Cypriot community living in the northern administrative area. Like it or not, he was elected by them, and as such, he speaks for them...

[zan]

When you spread your lies VP, I will throw them back in your face ......

Expect a lot of comeback then Horacle.........

[humanist]

I fthe fact tha he met your leader several times now and has invited your leader to attecnd an EU meeting of heads of States does not empower Talat and the TC's then I dunno what will please you.

And another point your leader has never put partition 18:82 on the table as a solution I wonder why?

[humanist]

Denktas and his mates in Turkey screwed you over for the past 34 years I think its time to try something different, join your compatriots and kiss Turkey out the equasion.

[zan]

Denktas and his mates in Turkey screwed you over for the past 34 years I think its time to try something different, join your compatriots and kiss Turkey out the equasion.

Don't like what you are offering...This is a two way street...Compromise is needed or no deal....

[Oracle]

Talat to address European parliamentarians

What the hell for? He's got nothing interesting to say anyway...

He has probably been summoned to explain himself, and receive some more fines for calling himself a "president"/leader, like last time

[DT.]

The fact that Mr. Talat is speaking to PACE as a leader of a community is significant. The real question is what can he really do given the number of Turkish military forces stationed in the northern administrative area?

BTW, one can be a president of something other than a country: a business, corporation, sports club, etc. In Talat's case, it is of the Turkish Cypriot community living in the northern administrative area. Like it or not, he was elected by them, and as such, he speaks for them...

a business, corporation, sport clubs etc are all official entities registered officially somwhere.

[CopperLine]

Pantheman,
That Turkey is crucial, has an effective veto call, and that TRNC, the Turkish Cypriot community or whatever else one wants to call the north has a very limited room for manoeuvre is no secret. It is known by GCs hence their negotiating difficulties, including the issue of recognition. It is known by TCs hence the difficulty of organising a genuine internal alternative. And it is known to Turkey whose actions over the last thirty plus years are predicated on that veto power.

None of this is new to any one. What is in dispute is how much room for manoeuvre and negotiation each of us thinks that TCs have got. Some say none, some say a little. Some don't care and wish there was none. Some don't want to negotiate with anyone at all.

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Regarding recognition and whether Talat is recognised as President, a president, a leader or as head alopecian ... I've just got to say 'who gives a crap ?' The recognition/non-recognition is in my view and infantile disorder elevated to a bogus international 'principle'. The fact remains that Talat was invited to speak to PACE; it is he who is negotiating with Christofias; it is the bald one who is in talks with the UN; it is this not/president who is engaged in diplomacy with the EU.

People may swear that he is not a president that he is a potato on a stick : all the while though, he talks like a president, acts like a president, behaves like president, and is treated like a president.

[BirKibrisli]

Pantheman,
That Turkey is crucial, has an effective veto call, and that TRNC, the Turkish Cypriot community or whatever else one wants to call the north has a very limited room for manoeuvre is no secret. It is known by GCs hence their negotiating difficulties, including the issue of recognition. It is known by TCs hence the difficulty of organising a genuine internal alternative. And it is known to Turkey whose actions over the last thirty plus years are predicated on that veto power.

None of this is new to any one. What is in dispute is how much room for manoeuvre and negotiation each of us thinks that TCs have got. Some say none, some say a little. Some don't care and wish there was none. Some don't want to negotiate with anyone at all.

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Regarding recognition and whether Talat is recognised as President, a president, a leader or as head alopecian ... I've just got to say 'who gives a crap ?' The recognition/non-recognition is in my view and infantile disorder elevated to a bogus international 'principle'. The fact remains that Talat was invited to speak to PACE; it is he who is negotiating with Christofias; it is the bald one who is in talks with the UN; it is this not/president who is engaged in diplomacy with the EU.

People may swear that he is not a president that he is a potato on a stick : all the while though, he talks like a president, acts like a president, behaves like president, and is treated like a president.

If it looks like a duck.....walks like a duck.....sounds like a duck....

[Kifeas]

Pantheman,
That Turkey is crucial, has an effective veto call, and that TRNC, the Turkish Cypriot community or whatever else one wants to call the north has a very limited room for manoeuvre is no secret. It is known by GCs hence their negotiating difficulties, including the issue of recognition. It is known by TCs hence the difficulty of organising a genuine internal alternative. And it is known to Turkey whose actions over the last thirty plus years are predicated on that veto power.

None of this is new to any one. What is in dispute is how much room for manoeuvre and negotiation each of us thinks that TCs have got. Some say none, some say a little. Some don't care and wish there was none. Some don't want to negotiate with anyone at all.

--

Regarding recognition and whether Talat is recognised as President, a president, a leader or as head alopecian ... I've just got to say 'who gives a crap ?' The recognition/non-recognition is in my view and infantile disorder elevated to a bogus international 'principle'. The fact remains that Talat was invited to speak to PACE; it is he who is negotiating with Christofias; it is the bald one who is in talks with the UN; it is this not/president who is engaged in diplomacy with the EU.

People may swear that he is not a president that he is a potato on a stick : all the while though, he talks like a president, acts like a president, behaves like president, and is treated like a president.

No CopperLine, he is not recognised as a president by those that matter, and yes, even though you not give a crap, we certainly do give a lot more than crap, for him not to be recognised as president!

You see, CopperLine, unlike you, who trully does not give a shit of about the rights of the GC's in this country, which is why you do not also give a crap whether Talat is or will be recognised as president; for us it means a lot! Recognising Talat as president, it means recognising the "TRNC" to be a government and a country on its own. Recognising the "TRNC," means recognising a state that is built on a territory usurped illegally by a foreign power, by means of aggression, and a state built on a "constitution' that is based on the ethnic cleansing of the areas indigenous population, a "constitution" based on the violation of 1/3 of the GC community's human rights, and a "constitution" that is based on the idea and "principle" of the usurpation and eradication of the entire GC community's historical, heritage and cultural rights in a substantial part of its ancestral land! You do not give a crap if all the above happens, or not, simply because you are essentially an asshole opportunist!